Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Spiroglyph]

I feel like everything in this thread, both constructive criticism or insults, has been repeated over and over again and OP counters with the same arguments over and over again... I don't even know what the point of this thread is anymore

[Feyona]

I feel like everything in this thread, both constructive criticism or insults, has been repeated over and over again and OP counters with the same arguments over and over again... I don't even know what the point of this thread is anymore

Maybe, that is because some see a problem for themselves and other people, and some dont, those that dont see the problem want to sweep it under the carpet and carry on how they are, but the ones that do see the problem, as in countless posts, will continue to ask about it, this will not go away. To answer your question below, The question was posted originally in this thread, and no of course I dont expect everyone to agree but this is feedback ok? And to others like bourne above that insinuate I want less work please read my posts. You may have the time to dps others may feel they havent, tank starts dying immediatel in some encounters

[Spiroglyph]

Maybe, that is because some see a problem for themselves and other people, and some dont, those that dont see the problem want to sweep it under the carpet and carry on how they are, but the ones that do see the problem, as in countless posts, will continue to ask about it, this will not go away.

Ask for WHAT? What is it that you want to be done on this subject?

You can't possibly expect everyone to share your opinion?

[Feyona]

Thank you for all your comments, I didnt expect many here to agree for various reasons, some of the most skilled of you like to consider yourseves, 'very skilled' cos you can do both roles easily 'applauds' others like dpsing, some get bored if they dont, some like to help the group, some do because they may get kicked if they dont, some like the challenge and some find it difficult. Pretty much sums it up I think. This is fine but the ones that i insinuate idleness, or are forcing others to do it are the ones that I am most concerned about, because as I have said before these demands and expectations cause much misunderstanding In actual game play, The people that like to control other people and prevent others from enjoying their game experience, In my opinion are the ones that should not have a free reign on ordering how others play. In this thread, I have noticed that when someone makes a derrogatory comment some of you all join in, please examine your motives for doing so.

[Misutoraru]

too many words.

generally
i just expect ppl to do their job in Duty Finder, I dont mind getting wipe 1 or 2, I mean DF is a group of complete random strangers, as long as ppl taking advices
e.g. a tank drawing too much, way over I could keep up the heal, then I would ask the tank to draw less, and if I m dps, i usually set my expectation the lowest, and tank drawing big pool of trash or Tank/Heal doing DPS i consider a bonus
as a Healer I will see how the tank do and how our DPS do at dodging AOE, I will DPS if I feel comfortable, but I will not force tank to drop tank stance and do more DPS, I would force Healer to do Dmg as a DPS in DF


to sum up, I dont think heal and tank should be force to do dmg in DF, unless you are talking about alexander creator savage or high end Extreme primal which the dev are so lazy they think putting DPS check is a good mechanics
and in some case may be Healer DPS will ease the pressure in certain situation like Amdapor Keep (Hard) final boss or The Aery, Nidhogg Sable Price then sure, i think it is fine to ask Healer to dmg to ease help off abit
but overall, I dont think tank to drop tank stance or healer to dmg should not be forced in DF

PF, I usually see how party generally agree to, if the party want me to DPS while heal, i will try to do it, if not then they could find another healer who is more capable of doing it

also how the team composition affect my decision too, e.g. doing a 24/8 ppl run, if i m AST and the 2nd healer is SCH, I will be focusing on heal and let SCH do more on Dmg, as I have better group heal and I have to conserve Mana for roomwide AOE like Hellwind in Wiping City of Mhach.

[Feyona]

generally
i just expect ppl to do their job in Duty Finder, I dont mind getting wipe 1 or 2, I mean D




PF, I usually

also how the team composition affect my decision too, e.g. doing a 24/8 ppl run, if i m AST and the 2nd healer is SCH, I will be focusing on heal and let SCH do more on Dmg, as I have better group heal and I have to conserve Mana for roomwide AOE like Hellwind in Wiping City of Mhach.

For sure and I agree, and I am pretty much the same view. I always do whatever I can. and would have liked healing dps to remain optioanal according to what healer thinks is best, but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way. You say you would want to be replaced if you cant dps? Something wrong there but Ill let people work it out.

[bounddreamer]

but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way.

If I remember correctly, didn't you attempt Alex Savage with a group, and refused as a SCH to dps, and switched from SCH main to another healing job?

You're not going to change the endgame meta of this raiding tier because you don't like it. Healers add dps in savage for faster clears and phase pushing which means less party damage. Our SCH is in dps mode for most of the time in A9-A11S except for key spot healing/shielding/deployed critlos.

It seems to me like you're taking your bad endgame experience and airing it on the forum and trying to apply it at all levels.

No one's going to kick a CNJ in Sastasha for not stance dancing.

[Misutoraru]

For sure and I agree, and I am pretty much the same view. I always do whatever I can. and would have liked healing dps to remain optioanal according to what healer thinks is best, but its not optional any more its being forced on healers to do and gone too far that way. You say you would want to be replaced if you cant dps? Something wrong there but Ill let people work it out.

I am more a "never compromise" I will always vote no to Kick a healer if the sole reason is the healer not doing dmg
and when i play my healer, i will only do dmg when i see comfortable
until the day dev force us to do so
i dont mind ppl in DF asking healer to do dmg nicely
but if they want to kick a healer for not doing dmg, i will be the NO between them, and if i m the healer, they are more than welcome to find a replacement
but of coz, those high end raid would be another story