New Housing Zone + Moving existing house

[Evergrey]

There's a few flaws to that tho. It'll limit the amount of people who can transfer to 12 per plot#, not everyone wants to move but what happens if say 13 with the same number all want to relocate? Does the 13th person get 'sorry but too bad you were slow.' ? So there's that and then the grades of plots are different in all areas so some will get an upgrade and some will be downgraded.

Although it is a nice idea to opt in beforehand

Well I only assume there will be the same amount of wards/sub-wards as the old residential areas.
So if EVERYONE with let's say a Large house wants to move they can since there will be the same numbers of Large houses as in the old residential areas across all the wards/sub wards.
There is only 1 house with that certain number in each ward.

the up/down grading I dunno, didn't think about that part.

Eh? Seems like a weird ultimatum. "You can move but you don't get to choose where!"

Or you could just let movers have the same chance as everyone else that wish to buy a plot in the new ward....

But the thing is, you already own a house and alot of people don't. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
It's called a trade-off. And personally I think it's the most fair one. Current owners have to be limited to only being able to move to the plot number they already got since you aren't risking losing a house or anything. "New" people can pick from what's left.

[Suki-]

Idk if my maths is right but~ there are 6 large houses per ward. 72 per area. With 3 residential cities that is 216 all up. So no, unless they open the new place with 36 wards not everyone can move if they want to.

And with the 'you already own one and should be limited to certain options' how is that fair? If it's a free for all everyone is on even ground. New and current owners get to choose where they purchase/transfer their plot. At the same time it opens up plots in the 'old' areas, which some people have already expressed that they prefer.

It's all just speculation at this point until we get more information so this topic is just going to go around in circles until then

[Altena]

But the thing is, you already own a house and alot of people don't. You can't have the cake and eat it too.
It's called a trade-off. And personally I think it's the most fair one. Current owners have to be limited to only being able to move to the plot number they already got since you aren't risking losing a house or anything. "New" people can pick from what's left.

Eh? Again.. How is that "fair"?

What IS fair is everyone on equal footing. Those that have a house didn't have the option in the past, nor the information that those without one currently have regarding the new areas.

Those that want to move can fight over the new wards along with all of the current people that don't have a house. If they don't get a transfer in time, then they miss out.
Plot 5 in Lavender beds isn't the same size as plot 5 in goblet or mist. So your "idea" just flat out wouldn't work.

This isn't about having our cake and eating it too.
We already paid for our cake. The issue here is that we didn't have the options that you guys without plots will.
If we were told that there was a new housing zone coming in a future expansion, and what the general theme was before the houses were up for sale - we could at least have the option of holding off..

Instead you wish to lock us out of an opportunity because we decided to get in early? Yeah eff that. Sorry but that is far from "fair".

Equal footing is the fairest option. That is allowing everyone fend for themselves. Current private estate holders or homeless. There should be 0 priority. There should be no "forced" plot choices. We should all have the ability to either move to an equal sized plot, just as much as those who don't have a plot have to get one. I am not suggesting plot upgrades / downgrades at this point as that gets complicated.

[Evergrey]

Idk if my maths is right but~ there are 6 large houses per ward. 72 per area. With 3 residential cities that is 216 all up. So no, unless they open the new place with 36 wards not everyone can move if they want to.

And with the 'you already own one and should be limited to certain options' how is that fair? If it's a free for all everyone is on even ground. New and current owners get to choose where they purchase/transfer their plot. At the same time it opens up plots in the 'old' areas, which some people have already expressed that they prefer.

It's all just speculation at this point until we get more information so this topic is just going to go around in circles until then

/facepalm

I'm so sorry. For some unspeakable reason I forgot that we got a residential area for each Great Company. I was thinking from the logic of theres 1 district moving to one new.
With this new revelation my math doesn't add up. -hehe- -_-'

[Evergrey]

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I'm just saying what I think would be fair. If you don't think so that's fair.

I think it's a fair tradeoff since I believe that the transfer of a plot will happen during a maintenance, how else would they have the time to transfer all the data into a new area?
And if that is the case, the plot would be taken even before anyone else would have a chance to get it without owning a house before.
To me that doesn't seem fair for everyone else because once the server opens up several plots would already be taken without having a chance.
That's why I think a moving system that is based on the plot number seems fair because they would already have it before servers opens up again.

But that is only if the transfer happens during the maintenance before the plots open. If it happens during/after there is an even chance for everyone to get a plot and that is fair.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Factually incorrect. I share a house with someone in the Lavender Beds. I am just saying that SE is wholly incompetent in managing the housing system properly, and let it be abused often. Instead of catering to people who could (possibly) abuse the housing system in order to flip houses, I just simply think that only allowing new owners into the new area is ideal. I don't even support FCs being able to move.

You do realize imposing that restriction will only encourage people to get a second house on their alts? People are likely to do that already since we can't sell or upgrade our houses. At least not openly.

[Reinha]

I'm just saying what I think would be fair. If you don't think so that's fair.

I think it's a fair tradeoff since I believe that the transfer of a plot will happen during a maintenance, how else would they have the time to transfer all the data into a new area?
And if that is the case, the plot would be taken even before anyone else would have a chance to get it without owning a house before.
To me that doesn't seem fair for everyone else because once the server opens up several plots would already be taken without having a chance.
That's why I think a moving system that is based on the plot number seems fair because they would already have it before servers opens up again.

But that is only if the transfer happens during the maintenance before the plots open. If it happens during/after there is an even chance for everyone to get a plot and that is fair.

If that was the case, then I would consider it unfair too. Any scenario where everyone cannot go and obtain a plot from the new area at the same time is unfair. Whether it's house owners or homeless who get first dibs it's unfair. What is fair is releasing the move feature in time to allow previous private house owners and fc house owners to move (for a fee*) simultaneously when homeless people get to look for a house. This puts everyone at equal footing and allows some plots in the older wards to be opened up for the people who have always wanted to have a house there. The older areas have their own charm and personally I'm not going to move out of LB to an area that doesn't look as good.

If it takes time to transfer data they could always allow the reservation and payment of the plot immediately when they release and give a message "Transferring data. Please wait 24 Earth hours for the transfer to complete."

*I think there needs to be some kind of a fee to act as one of the few gil sinks in the game. In my opinion it should be as high as the fee for buying a certain sized plot, because moving houses has always had that cost and it further puts everyone at equal footing. Everyone got information of the new housing area at the same time, so everyone has the same amount of time to collect enough money. Requiring less money from some people because of previous (lucky) investments would give them a benefit over other players who had not reserved money prior to the announcement of the new housing area.

[Maero]

I know nothing can be done now but had housing been instanced we would not see all these issues.
ESO has just implemented instanced housing recently, i have not yet checked it out however.

[Alleo]

Well I do think housing owners that want to move will pay at least a fee if not the same amount again. Nobody is forced to buy the expensive large mansion and if people would not have complained that they would lose all their work with the ships SE would have probably never thought about a moving feature.

Lets look at it in real life: You get a house, maybe even built it from the ground. For some reasons you will have to move or want to move into another house. Most time you will not get the same amount of money back that you put into this. Our neighbor sold their older house some time ago. The price was really cheap for a house but in our region its not that normal to sell such houses fast. Also if you have a customized made kitchen for example you often leave it behind, even having it included in the house price and you will have to buy yourself a new one.

So even in real life its, at least in my region, not that common to get your price back. You might get at least some money back to finance your new house but not the whole deal.

And as a ingame house owner myself (once a FC house and now only private) I can say that it might cost money to buy it but at the same time (especially at the beginning) you could make all the money back with the garden..in my first FC we had a single player as a neighbor that owned a manor and yet he already made back all the costs thanks to gardening and other stuff. So its not like we dont have benefits. And if someone for example wanted to color their chocobo and did not own a garden they needed to buy it from the MB. So not owning a house could even be negative too, especially if you want things that needs stuff from the garden.

Like I said nobody is forced to buy a house in this game, especially a big one and nobody knows what will happen with the housing system. All the time that we enjoyed housing others had none. I would say even with all the costs its more than fair that people should at least pay a fee if they want to move. Because without that feature you would have had to destroy your house and all the items.

[Nighthawk4]

I just wish there were more options for Apartments.

I bought one in Limsa, after trying for ages in Gridania. I gained and empty box, which was a surprise.

However, I have added a wall and some furniture, plus wall coverings and paintings. Even better is I have a Mender and a Sales NPC.

I wish I could get a Summoning Bell, an Aquarium, a way to logout by using the bed (as for Inn Rooms) and somewhere to grow feed for my Chocobo.

My FC Base has those of course, but not my Apartment.

It would also be nice to have large windows as some of the Inn Rooms have. I live on the shore just outside Limsa - it must be a terrific view, so why the tiny windows?