What changes will push sch out of meta

[Belhi]

I am just hoping they don't add more heals to WHM in SB. That might be odd to say but WHM is already stupid powerful with its heals and at this point any additional healing has a far smaller value. Throughput healing is about effectively meeting a quota on the amount of heals given in any given point at time. Anything on top of that is wasteful and of little value. WHM is also extremely good at meeting that quota. More heals on top of that really don't offer much to a WHM's tool kit.

[Fernosaur]

You don't want to push a job out of the meta, you want to pull currently undesireable jobs into the meta. As long as Balance remains a +20% buff, AST is gonna have an assured place, so really I think the issue lies more in WHM needing desperate buffs, or reworking (not nerfing) AST so that Diurnal doesn't make them basically a better WHM. Granted, reworking AST in that fashion might actually be considered a nerf, but eehh, with how powerful the cards are, I don't think there's much you could do to AST's actual healing kit bar making them completely unable to heal through fights that would actually push them out of the meta.

That said, if what you want is to absolutely remove Scholar from the meta, then they'd have to get rid of the fairy, and they can't really do much to her that wouldn't alter Scholar's very core concept, except nerfing her healing potencies to the ground, which could possibly end up making the class useless, indeed.

[Yeol]

If they introduce a healer that is good at DPs and adding healing buffs that will affect your healing partner.

Like he will have low heal potency in general but put healing buffs on the party in order to heal, and his partner also benefits from these buffs.
This will make people take AST in Nocturnal Sect and this new healer.

So he will be the type to try and reduced damage + low healing potency + no shields but rather he buffs the party to receive more heal potency that affect his partners heals as well.

He can have abilities like:

- Increase healing potency by -- for -- seconds.
- Increase healing received by --%.
- Increase HP and fill it by --% for -- seconds.

He could use a combo healing system.

You get the idea.. I did not give it much thought yet but the idea is there.

[BokoToloko]

SCh strenght is the powerful damage mitigation, since you can heal pre-emptively and most of the healing potency will always be used while WHM and AST in Diurnal Sect must wait until HP is low enough to avoid overhealing. Shielding healers tend to be the most effective type of healer in MMORPG.

That said, if a healer falls out of the meta is purely because its performance is subpar in everything, as it happens with any other roles (looking at you, early Heavensward PLD). WHMs have a raw healing potency that SCHs don't posess. ASTs have the flexibility and a more powerful (although RNG bound) buff that SCHs don't have. And each class performs well in all enviroments. Also you can only have one SCH per group, so it's hard if not impossible for the SCH to overshadow other healers in the meta.

At last, the mindset should be about making the useless jobs not useless, not having the other classes become also useless.

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Problem is that a DoT and an Attack Spell can't make up for the damage boost Cleric Stance provide since damage still scales out of INT, not MND.

[ADVSS]

what about a bubble that stacks with shields?

If they introduce a healer that is good at DPs and adding healing buffs that will affect your healing partner.

Like he will have low heal potency in general but put healing buffs on the party in order to heal, and his partner also benefits from these buffs.
This will make people take AST in Nocturnal Sect and this new healer.

So he will be the type to try and reduced damage + low healing potency + no shields but rather he buffs the party to receive more heal potency that affect his partners heals as well.

He can have abilities like:

- Increase healing potency by -- for -- seconds.
- Increase healing received by --%.
- Increase HP and fill it by --% for -- seconds.

He could use a combo healing system.

You get the idea.. I did not give it much thought yet but the idea is there.

give an edge to stoneskin though in all honesty it might be put in the cross role skill list....unless they just make it a whm only thing

[Exiled_Tonberry]

Let Eos Share off your MP pool.

[Spiroglyph]

Give WHM some kind of team-wide utility spells that don't just revolve around massive healing.
Maybe something like, summoning protection from elementals offering various resistances? Dunnu, something like that. Just not more heals.

[winsock]

Redesigning AST so that it isn't WHM v2.
AST is so similar to WHM on the healing end (even in Noct) that there is little reason to not bring a SCH.

SCH is the only one bringing a unique healing kit.

[Risvertasashi]

Redesigning AST so that it isn't WHM v2.

Unfortunately they've already said they aren't going to do this kind of overhaul. AST's healing kit will largely remain a copypasta of WHM's.

Which is also why I'm skeptical that SE can balance it. If AST can't keep up with healing, people will have to take WHM. If it can, then it can heal just as well as WHM (if not better like currently) and also hands out Raging Strikes CDs, among other things.

[winsock]

Unfortunately they've already said they aren't going to do this kind of overhaul. AST's healing kit will largely remain a copypasta of WHM's.

That's a shame. Im curious to read what they had to say. Could you link if you still have it around?