Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Llus]

This reminds me of all the vit wars in 2.x afraid to drop defiance because they might mess up and the party could wipe. Guess what? The party's going to wipe if you swap stances as a healer or a tank. It happens. Know what else happens? You start to learn. You learn when it's safe to swap stances, you learn how to play to your tanks' strengths and your healers' strengths. Being afraid to do something only makes you avoid it and keeps you on that same treadmill. What happens if you move into DPS stance at the wrong time? The same thing that happens when DPS pop blood for blood at the wrong time. Someone dies or the party wipes. There's no death penalty, so what are you afraid of? Messing up happens, deal with it. By the time you're level 40 you should be comfortable swapping stances and know when you can get away with it. Will I kick a healer for not DPSing? No, but I'll ask them to. If it's their first time running that content and they say "This is my first time here, I'm not comfortable with it yet." I'm not going to kick you for it; but at least try. I always give 100% when I'm running dungeons or trials. Why? Because there are 3 or more people with me that I assume are giving it their all as well.

By the way, this is what it looks like when all you do is heal. Would you accept this level of gameplay from your tank or DPS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...tu.be&t=17m17s

[Feyona]

This reminds me of all the vit wars in 2.x afraid to drop defiance because they might mess up and the party could wipe. Guess what? The party's going to wipe if you swap stances as a healer or a tank. It happens. Know what else happens? You start to learn. You learn when it's safe to swap stances, you learn how to play to your tanks' strengths and your healers' strengths. Being afraid to do something only makes you avoid it and keeps you on that same treadmill. What happens if you move into DPS stance at the wrong time?

I do see your point, and this is about if people can play their chosen role which is one of the three. I do have much better skills, and spells as a healer, otherwise everyone would be some kind of hybrid player that has to do all three. Dps to me is a different role to healing, Dps is not part of that role naturally, same as healing is not part of a dps role

[Llus]

I do see your point, and this is about if people can play their chosen role which is one of the three. I do have much better skills, and spells as a healer, otherwise everyone would be some kind of hybrid player that has to do all three. Dps to me is a different role to healing, Dps is not part of that role naturally, same as healing is not part of a dps role

Physick - summoner, black mage - during emergency situations they can and do use these
Bloodbath - warrior, dark knight, warrior, dragoon, monk - used VERY often by all five classes as an extra region during periods requiring extra healing or after doing something stupid
Second Wind - monk, warrior, bard, ninja - again a great skill used often by DPS to restore HP after a big hit

Beyond the pure healing skills available to DPS, there are also:

Mantra - monk, dragoon, ninja, warrior
Foresight - warrior, dark knight, paladin, dragoon, monk
Featherfoot - monk, warrior, dragoon, bard, ninja
Keen Flurry - dragoon, monk, bard, ninja
...


These skills and others aren't DPS skills; yet we have them. So healing isn't part of a DPS role and DPS isn't part of a healer role? Why do we have these skills then?

I understand, truly, healers get shit on a lot because a lot is expected of them. Arguably, the healer role in FFXIV is the hardest role to play at even a mediocre level. I don't know what game you came from in which healers only had to heal - but in FFXIV, healers are expected to DPS; tanks are expected to DPS and Heal (themselves or other party members when applicable) and DPS are expected to DPS, Heal (themselves) and Tank (yes, DPS tank things besides the floor)

Again I refer you to https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...tu.be&t=17m17s - this looks even worse for a scholar.

[Feyona]

Physick - summoner, black mage - during emergency situations they can


I understand, truly, healers get shit on a lot because a lot is expected of them. Arguably, the healer role in FFXIV is the hardest role to play at even a mediocre level. I don't know what game you came from in which healers only had to heal - but in FFXIV, healers are expected to DPS; tanks are expected to DPS and Heal (themselves or other party members when applicable) and DPS are expected to DPS, Heal (themselves) and Tank (yes, DPS tank things besides the floor)

Again I refer youv=jBgMe5uHPsE&feature=youtu.be&t=17m17s[/url] - this looks even worse for a scholar.

These simply are not the same. I need to change stance to play another role which is dps and a different playstyle. I would welcome buffs instead, and so why dont we ask a summoner to heal so sch can enjoy their dps? (sarcasm) and need to add to this even tanks do not have to change the playstyle with a change of stance they stll use the same skills. This being exoected by the community indeed, unless SE changes that coercion.

[bounddreamer]

These simply are not the same. I need to change stance to play another role which is dps and a different playstyle. I would welcome buffs instead, and so why dont we ask a summoner to heal so sch can enjoy their dps? (sarcasm)

The SMN doesn't need to heal. The SCH already did their job.

Example: I healed Baelsar's Wall on SCH for the first time last night. I've only done it on AST before. Between deploying a crit adlo on the party, rousing my fairy and controlling her skills, and putting a sacred soil down, I was fully able to dps through half of every single big pull, then drop cleric stance and top the tank off. And she wasn't max geared, either; she's a returning player.

If I hadn't been optimizing my healing skills and dpsing to help cut down the time those big pulls last, it would have been incredibly boring. Because the healing requirements for a well geared SCH who relies on and controls her fairy are very low.

[Neela]

..but in FFXIV, healers are expected to DPS; tanks are expected to DPS and Heal (themselves or other party members when applicable)...

actually this is not true - but the com made it "true"... Yoshi said they should focus more on their actual role (again) than on their sidekicks. But this is a never-ending story, if you aren't interested in dps you will be called lazy or noob nowadays. However... but please just stop this "every cls is intended to dps concept-wise." It's just not true.

Selfbuffs, Selfheals and dps- and Xskills were actually part of the concept of leveling and/or playing solo... but became part of "optimizing" party-play as well all the way to the mindset we have just now "everybody has to dps as much as they can".

But like I said several times before... this com won't change their mind - even SE, Yoshi, the Dalai Lama or Trump will say it's not intended to be played like this.

[Kitfox]

However... but please just stop this "every cls is intended to dps concept-wise." It's just not true.

Of course it's true. But it's not about DPS, it's the abilities all classes have. You CAN dps, so you should if you have the possiblity. Same as tanks should DPS when they can, PLD should Clemency if it saves a run, SMN should Raise, DPS should use their defensive buffs and Second Wind, BRD/MCH/NIN should recover party's TP/MP, all classes should use all of their abilities.

It's not about being a Healer, or a Tank, OR a DPS, it's about "You have this spell/ability that does something, use it because it's useful!"

[Neela]

Of course it's true. (...) You CAN dps, so you should if you have the possiblity.

either you haven't read my post or you didn't get my post -> this is actually the coms mindset - thx for the proof. ^^

[Neela]

It's not about being a Healer, or a Tank, OR a DPS, it's about "You have this spell/ability that does something, use it because it's useful!"

if you stick to this... do u use f.e. freeze on blm out of pvp? I mean it freezes mobs right? Healer may dps cause they have to heal less, right? Now the question - which Blm is useing freeze in dngs? "you got it than use it" - is just another more or less worthless argument – every cls got skills which won't be used in general content, but why? I think we got it to use it? ; )

edit: the first one who takes this post serious will win a cookie :3

[Taika]

if you stick to this... do u use f.e. freeze on blm out of pvp? I mean it freezes mobs right? Healer may dps cause they have to heal less, right? Now the question - which Blm use freeze in dngs? "you got it than use it" - is just another more or less worthless argument – every cls got skills which won't be used in generell content, but why? I think we got it to use it? ; )

She said you should use it because it's useful. And that argument is valid for all jobs equally. Freeze is not useful, so you should not use it. Holy is, so you should.

In fact, the general guideline to playing every single job well in this game is: aim for using the most useful ability for each of your cooldowns.