Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[ADVSS]

Yes and I dont want to develop high blood pressure caused by the stress of seeing someone dying cos Ive just gone in cleric and have to wait 5 secs to get out of it.

Thats a legitimate reason not to dps, look i havent healed for a while sometimes if i go in and it seems like the tank is getting nuked i too am hesitant about DPSing as well, since HW i just sort of gave up on healing i just dont find it very enjoyable{mained sch from 2.1-2.4) As far as I
m concerned I wouldnt kick a healer who is keeping the party alive. But I dont think healers shouldnt be allowed to dps and make a difference when theyre comfortable. Hell alot of it is tanks speed tanking 2-3 groups of adds. Going back i would switch when i felt they arent dying fast enough for me to heal the, aka usually a few mobs left. This also depends on their use of cooldowns, etc smf ehat job i am on, its a little easier imo to bust every regen on whm them holy spam for a bit, on scholar? You need a window to dot n bane. I couldnt tell you about AST it left a bad taste in my mouth since 3.0, and I'm still hesitant bothering to level it all the way, just not my cup of tea, neither is healing anymore, so I never would kick a healer who doesnt let people die, thats rediculous. But I dont speak for all of DF, or the unknowing majority on DF, that have no idea things like protect only slightly make things easier in the long run. In tandem to all that, CS didnt have a cooldown so much back in the day that it sort of delibated the need to emergency shut off, could be another reason i dislike healing in HW

[Gemina]

Thats a legitimate reason not to dps, look i havent healed for a while sometimes if i go in and it seems like the tank is getting nuked i too am hesitant about DPSing as well, since HW i just sort of gave up on healing i just dont find it very enjoyable{mained sch from 2.1-2.4)

What she spoke of is a healer's nightmare. I myself have even had dreams where the tank dies while I am casting the cure 2 that would've saved him that was .08 seconds too late, which has really happened, resulting in wipe. How do you think I am going to feel about DPSing, and myself as a healer after such a thing happens? After multiple wipes, if you tell a group, "Hey guys, I'm just going to focus on healing." you are not going to get a whole lot of objections.

What I am ultimately happy about what you recognized, is healer anxiety exists and the fact that behind that avatar is a real person, that might have serious and legitimate hangups with pulling the trigger on Cleric stance. We simply, just don't know what's going on up there unless the healer communicates it, and they may not do so out of fear of further ridicule and badgering. Then there also exists the mentality that consoling these players only encourages poor player skill. Even from the outside looking in, you have to see how vicious this meta can be. There are few, and extremely rare players that actually benefit from this. Most only descend further into their comfort zones, and you get truly skilled healers never even setting a pinky toe inside ex/savage content.

That said, I am truly sad that you chose to leave healer for the reasons you stated. But it is always a good thing when a player finds the role and class they do enjoy playing. I came into this game wanting to be a tank as crazy as that would sound to those who know me. It was what I really enjoyed in FFXI, but subsequent mmos and FFXIV taught me that I am meant to heal. Taking the good with the bad is part of the decision making process when choosing a main.

[Risvertasashi]

So much hostility...

Feyona:
Unfortunately, well, probably not. Cleric stance is unlikely to be removed because healers need to complete solo duties. It's unlikely to be locked for party content because SE, unlike the players ironically, doesn't like forcing people out of certain playstyles for the most part -- in the case of healers, whether that's DPSing or not.

Best bet would be to hope for SE to add a healer that focuses on buffs or something instead of damage... except we got that and it's AST. Buffs take hardly any time every half minute, and then... you still inherit cleric stance, still expected to DPS. And this expac SE decided healers shouldn't get anything new because mostly healers would play it.

And, honestly, we don't really know much about what SE has in store for healers, other than ensuring scholar has less advantages over the others. "Revamp" is a strong word for the combat changes generally, however, as they've said they're not even going to be doing DPS jobs from the ground up. Healers will probably have even fewer changes, since SE has mostly talked about DPS with a little bit about tanks on the side.

[Starkbeaumont]

Healers are designed to heal, not DPS. If parties want more DPS then talk to DPS players about it. Because if I am joining as a healer, I heal and that's it.

It's not being "lazy" as some ignorant people call it, it's playing the role the chose to play, period.

it is lazy if you end up standing around doing nothing as it was already pointed out by others. you are not better than the ice mage or the lv60 brd without WM or the smn that only puts up dots with tri disaster, or the "heavy thrust"-less drg, the futon-less nin or even the 100% deliverance war.

not using your skills as they are meant to is ignorant.

[Risvertasashi]

not using your skills as they are meant to is ignorant.

Funnily enough, Cleric was meant for solo content. It's players that went, "Hey this is really powerful... we should use it when we're not healing."

[Jkap_Goat]

As an AST main( who is coming from NIN) I love CS, and I enjoy dealing damage. If my Co-healer is just healing, it's fine because that's their playstyle.

As for myself, 80% of the time,I'm in CS, I give the tank Aspected benefic + Aspected helios , go into CS and do some damage and pray the tank is using his CD and not be a paper lol.

Please SE , don't get rid of my Cleric Stance

[CafPow]

Okay, nobody should think it's a good idea to let a Tank die cause of DPS.

..thatt said:
I personally feel like a moron when i don't do anything for 30 seconds. It's just an example.
So, when i have a good tank who doesn't need much heal, i go CS and dps a little.

Where you guys draw the line now? When you go dps-ing?
5 seconds spare Time? 10? 20?
My opinion is like... 10-15 sec, cause you may applie at least some Dots then.

But the Time, where no heal is needed, increases in low-lvl or when overgeared. Standing around, being useless is ones choice, but be kicked is the others then.

[Neophyte]

Really this wasnt meant to be about laziness, or people 'pulling their weight', It was a question about whether healers can be healers as a chosen, preferred playstyle, which many players may prefer or enjoy more. We have
How much dps a healer should do is determined by skill, experience and, above all of these, the current incoming damage to the grop.
already had the debates about those issues above, about everyone needing to be busy doing something 100% of the time or seen to be 'working'. No one is coercing any dps to choose healing as a playstyle, so I feel this is possibly a little one sided. If a healer that has chosen that playstyle, has gaps in between healing and cannot tolerate it, they could play dps instead, Ast has their cards to buff in 'gaps'. In reply to the guy that tells people to leave if they dont like things how they are, this is not really a solution for people that would like to play in their preferred way.

There is nothing to choose. If there is big damage, you heal it. If there is no damage, you dps.

If there will be content, which requires more healing, then it's still not your choice. You either heal much (on initial ilvl) or people will die. But there will still be open spaces for dpsing, e.g. the very first 15-20s of literally every fight in this game.

[Llus]

This reminds me of all the vit wars in 2.x afraid to drop defiance because they might mess up and the party could wipe. Guess what? The party's going to wipe if you swap stances as a healer or a tank. It happens. Know what else happens? You start to learn. You learn when it's safe to swap stances, you learn how to play to your tanks' strengths and your healers' strengths. Being afraid to do something only makes you avoid it and keeps you on that same treadmill. What happens if you move into DPS stance at the wrong time? The same thing that happens when DPS pop blood for blood at the wrong time. Someone dies or the party wipes. There's no death penalty, so what are you afraid of? Messing up happens, deal with it. By the time you're level 40 you should be comfortable swapping stances and know when you can get away with it. Will I kick a healer for not DPSing? No, but I'll ask them to. If it's their first time running that content and they say "This is my first time here, I'm not comfortable with it yet." I'm not going to kick you for it; but at least try. I always give 100% when I'm running dungeons or trials. Why? Because there are 3 or more people with me that I assume are giving it their all as well.

By the way, this is what it looks like when all you do is heal. Would you accept this level of gameplay from your tank or DPS? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jBgM...tu.be&t=17m17s

[vigioX-Sun]

I mean you got the tools why not use them ?
Healers can put some crazy dps an keep the party alive just fine but that needs skills an speed an I lot of ppl don't have it I guess since this type of post never stop.
Anyways I will never kick a healer just for healing but commendation are for those who push to 100% not for those who go to 50% an feel satisfied...