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[Kaedan]

Please, explain why being able to promote yourself to a rank that's above your own is a good idea at all.

1) It was the original way to allow people to circumvent the problem of an FC leader quitting the game and abandoning the FC to naught. The leader could give one of the officers the ability to promote in the case that they would have to leave the game. Thus allowing the FC to continue and not have to be disbanded if the FC members wanted to continue.

2) The implementation of automatic leader change only mitigates it somewhat. It takes a minimum of a month for it to kick in, so the FC is screwed for that month if the leader has to leave the game for any reason (emergency or otherwise). So the promote ability is a necessary backup tool (and was the original tool for this purpose).

And seeming that you didn't listen to me, I'll say it again. I'm not blaming the tool, I'm holding SE somewhat accountable because they were the ones who designed it and thought it was a good idea for people to be able to promote themselves to a rank higher than their own.

Please stop accusing me of not understanding or listening when it's you who are the one that isn't. You are making the faulty assumption that the feature of being able to promote above your rank is "flawed" and that SE is "at fault" for allowing a flawed tool in the game. What you are incorrect about is that the feature is flawed. It is not.

[ToasterMan]

1) It was the original way to allow people to circumvent the problem of an FC leader quitting the game and abandoning the FC to naught. The leader could give one of the officers the ability to promote in the case that they would have to leave the game. Thus allowing the FC to continue and not have to be disbanded if the FC members wanted to continue.

2) The implementation of automatic leader change only mitigates it somewhat. It takes a minimum of a month for it to kick in, so the FC is screwed for that month if the leader has to leave the game for any reason (emergency or otherwise). So the promote ability is a necessary backup tool (and was the original tool for this purpose).

I don't think that's a good enough reason to allow a promoting yourself and I am of the opinion that most of the people in this thread agree with me when I say that.

It does seem like that automatic leader change is a bit too long though. Maybe shorten it down to a week?

[Dustytome]

1) It was the original way to allow people to circumvent the problem of an FC leader quitting the game and abandoning the FC to naught. The leader could give one of the officers the ability to promote in the case that they would have to leave the game. Thus allowing the FC to continue and not have to be disbanded if the FC members wanted to continue.

2) The implementation of automatic leader change only mitigates it somewhat. It takes a minimum of a month for it to kick in, so the FC is screwed for that month if the leader has to leave the game for any reason (emergency or otherwise). So the promote ability is a necessary backup tool (and was the original tool for this purpose).

That seems illogical. In those situations the fc leader has already essentially entrusted those individuals with whatever access they granted the top rank since they can promote themselves on a whim. In those cases the fc leader might as well have just given those people the privs of their highest rank. It's absolutely worthless/pointless for that intention.

[Nixxe]

Says the person who purposefully and willfully ignored the explanation of why the feature isn't flawed.

In all fairness, your justifying situation is an extremely niche one that is easily avoided by the current GM having even the slightest shred of consideration for the free company. As you yourself said, there is a tool in place now that can be used to fix the problem, should it arise, but I would imagine the overwhelming majority of the time it's simply not an issue unless, again, the current GM just doesn't give the free company a second thought. Breaks from the game are rarely so immediate or necessary that you can't find five minutes to log in and pass lead. On the other hand, we have a rather opaque mechanism that is rather unusual compared to many or probably even most other MMOs and the workings of which cannot be readily discerned except through trial and error. As I said before, it's somewhat subjective whether the current iteration should be considered more good than bad, but it certainly leaves a lot to be desired either way and is very obviously flawed. Your zeal in defending its totality is rather misguided.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Well, you think wrong then. Seriously, I JUST explained it a few posts ago. If you disagree, then make a constructive, well-thought out response that refutes the facts I laid out above.

Right now you're just doing nothing but being insulting and trolling.

Mature, disagree with you so i'm obviously the one being insulting and trolling.

There is already a system in place to counteract a sudden absence from the FC lead, what we don't need is for promotions to behave illogically as it's causing more problems.

[Kaedan]

disagree with you so i'm obviously the one being insulting and trolling.

Well, for one, you did directly insult me: You said, "It takes a special kind of person to think this feature isn't flawed".

Secondly, it's trolling if you simply say "you're wrong" without actually providing any kind of argument... like you have been.

There is already a system in place to counteract a sudden absence from the FC lead, what we don't need is for promotions to behave illogically as it's causing more problems.

And I already explained that that isn't sufficient because the FC would be forced to wait a month. The promote feature allows an FC to recover much faster in the event of the FC leader leaving the game.

And again, it's 100% optional. You don't have to use it and thus never have to put your FC at risk.

[Nixxe]

Secondly, it's trolling if you simply say "you're wrong" without actually providing any kind of argument... like you have been.

That's not what trolling is.

[Kaedan]

That's not what trolling is.

Trolling encompasses a lot of things. Being inflammatory (which is what saying "you're wrong" and not justifying your statement is) is one aspect of trolling.

[Nixxe]

Trolling encompasses a lot of things. Being inflammatory (which is what saying "you're wrong" and not justifying your statement is) is one aspect of trolling.

No, it's not. Trolling requires deliberately inciting conflict. While it's not conducive to constructive conversation, simply failing to justify your remarks is not trolling by any sensible definition of the word. If you wish to apply some version that is watered down to the point of meaninglessness, I certainly can't stop you, but it's not a reasonable application of the word and not something that should be taken the least bit seriously by anyone. By conflating actual trolling with merely being unproductive or, worse still, your personal pet peeves, you yourself are being harmful to good conversation by slandering the person you're talking to and risking derailing the conversation into inane personal attacks.

[Lone-wolfe-02]

Trolling encompasses a lot of things. Being inflammatory (which is what saying "you're wrong" and not justifying your statement is) is one aspect of trolling.

It really does sound like you're upset people are disagreeing with you and so you just start using the troll excuse.