Should healers now be allowed to play how they choose to play?

[Dsync]

In reply to the guy that tells people to leave if they dont like things how they are, this is not really a solution for people that would like to play in their preferred way.

Yes it is. If you're so upset that people want you to put in more effort, in a group game, then leaving and finding a party who are willing to waste their time on you is a perfect solution. There will always be parties who will put up with it, so it's not like they have no other options.

[Feyona]

Yes it is. If you're so upset that people want you to put in more effort, in a group game, then leaving and finding a party who are willing to waste their time on you is a perfect solution. There will always be parties who will put up with it, so it's not like they have no other options.

Again this is not about more effort it is about being able to choose what playstyle you prefer, tanking, dps, or healing. Just those three roles. Not how much or how little you do in them.

[Dsync]

It's in your very first post that healers should be allowed to ignore most of their toolkit because "preferred playstyle" (read: "my sub" using different words). That directly relates to laziness. I believe you know this and are simply trolling. I'm out. Wasted enough time here.

[Feyona]

It's in your very first post that healers should be allowed to ignore most of their toolkit because "preferred playstyle" (read: "my sub" using different words). That directly relates to laziness. I believe you know this and are simply trolling. I'm out. Wasted enough time here.

Not really, I was hoping to have an open minded discussion about the subject. Is it so wrong to enjoy healing more than dps? Well if so why do people prefer dps to healing? People may prefer a different playstyle to dpsing. just wondering if it could be possible, to allow a healer to use their healing abilities a little more often because thats their most potent toolkit and the most enjoyable to play with.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Not really, I was hoping to have an open minded discussion about the subject

Well, if you wanted that you could view the past umph-topics related to this one/yours. You'll notice that there's a good number of players who don't mind either way and a group who advocates healing only and another group who advocates maximum efficiency. The "balance" in this matter is somewhat even. Sadly, our opinion as healers alone only holds a small share of the votes in a group. As much as you are free to decide on what your style is, others are as well. And, sadly, the gamemasters in the game tolerate expelling players from their group (in duty) if the style of the player in question is not to their liking. Likewise, you could do the very same if you wish. Not that I believe it'll be successful considering the mentality a part of the community has displayed so far. Repeat: A part of the community. I'd like to empathize on this.

Rather than having another conversation where two small groups headbutt with each other while a large group just enjoys the drama, advocate for tolerance from other roles instead. I believe this'll be more effective in the long run. If you're not comfortable contributing damage, simply tell the group. Tell the forum. Tell the server. Tell -anyone- really. Yes, you'll get friction with those who would tell you to "get good". But likewise you'll probably run into tolerant people who will understand as well. And most probably don't even care. At worst you won't earn some commendation. At best you don't have to get cranky by sticking with salty players who are constantly nagging and watching your every step. In a nutshell: Learn not to give a damn about who don't give a damn about you.

And just so it's out there: Yes, I do try to maximize my potential and do contribute damage whenever possible

[Feyona]

Yes you are right Lyrica, thanks for your response Maybe someone, somewhere will care if people enjoy the game experience or not, in the way it was designed to be enjoyed. That it was intended for people to have different roles to choose to play. I am sure. You see the posts here that completey insist that you do not really have a choice on whether you dps or not. Your only choice on how to play the game is dps, dps or leave. Well yes ive asked if this is fair and not wanting to head butt I will try not to do that just hope that some people would notice. That it is actually possible to enjoy the game if some do just heal. Hoping that SE will give healers their choice back

[ADVSS]

Im gonna laugh if you get the same "fix" that tanks got because of posts like this. Lets just have healing potency the average of your mind stat and piety together. Change cleric stance to swap healing potency with attack magic potency. Besides healings too easy now after you complain that healing tanks was too hard cause they actually wanted to dps. I just dont get it, you should embrace the little bit of flexibility you have before that gets taken away.

[Lyrica_Ashtine]

Yes you are right Lyrica, thanks for your response Maybe someone, somewhere will care if people enjoy the game experience or not, in the way it was designed to be enjoyed. That it was intended for people to have different roles to choose to play. I am sure. You see the posts here that completey insist that you do not really have a choice on whether you dps or not. Your only choice on how to play the game is dps, dps or leave. Well yes ive asked if this is fair and not wanting to head butt I will try not to do that just hope that some people would notice. That it is actually possible to enjoy the game if some do just heal. Hoping that SE will give healers their choice back

This is a case of illusion of choice or Hobson's Fork to be more precise. Hobson's fork was a form of illusion of choice that you either take what was offered or get nothing at all (in it's simplest form). The kind of situation you're experiencing is very similar: You either participate as how majority wants to or you don't participate at all.

While Hobson's Fork is actually a thing, I'd like to re-iterate: There's a good number of players out there that simply don't mind and respect you for it if you're not comfortable doing so. Simply tell them beforehand just so they know what's up. You can't get disappointed for something you can't expect, after all.

The whole Hobson's Fork situation in the community is also very biased. In particular towards Scholars. Scholars have, since the meta have settled in 2.X, been considered the healer with the most reliable and sustainable damage potential while also healing. And rightfully so if you consider the kit Scholars have as a whole, rather than a part of it to either maim or to mend. But that's for another discussion. As you have set Scholar as your main job on your forum profile, this may be the reason why you're experiencing this issue more often than not. If dialog isn't an option, perhaps another healing job may interest you. I don't like recommending others to change jobs, however. I highly suggest you to go for a dialog first or find some good comrades to do content with.

[AmeliaVerves]

Healers are designed to heal, not DPS.

I find this statement kinda confusing, because (espacially scholar) Healers are designed to dps as well. That's what CS is for.
And ever since Gordius came up it is 100% sure that Healers are meant to dps. o.o

That it is actually possible to enjoy the game if some do just heal.

I think noone is arguing about this. How could they? If you enjoy only healing that's your way. o.o
But you might want to consider that in FFXIV healers actually have a huuuuuge potency to dps, given to them for a reason. While I can understand your point of view and I generally just "shrug and ignore mechanics" in a Dungeon with a only-healing Healer, I also have to mention that you are, in fact, are kind of ignoring a part of your classes design. :/
Maybe you don't actually need to dps in the daily face-roll dungeons I would still prefer a Healer contributing some dps instead of just healing... (My very personal point of view, I usually don't kick, because I want to get the easy stuff done in a good time and it's still faster to go with a "slow" group than trying to find a replacement.)

After all, maybe you just have to live with the fact, FFXIV Healers are not your type of healers and you either go on complaining about that fact and the community, or you move and and try to find another game where your favourite role fits your very personal needs, or you accept it as it is and find peace with playing your way and being not everybodys favourite healer? :x
(No offense, I just don't see any other way to solve the "problem".)

At least I hope they don't change the games dynamics, because I surely enjoy the way healers are designed. (And dps is a part of their design, which is a fact and not a point of view! :P)