Eye Candy for Tanks/Healers?

[Awful]

TBH I'm main healer and I'm happy about NO new healing class, it took like 4 patches to balance AST/WHM/SCH

Ast....Balanced?

[RaizeGraymalkin]

You cussing in this thread doesn't make you appear anymore grown up than the person you are quoting.

I didn't realize cursing was constituted as childish (it's not). I like how you take issue with that, but not the OP.

[Ilenya]

I had this exact same argument and have yet to get a thoughtful response! In the end, it has nothing to do with what's smart of fair. It doesn't even have anything to do with what's healthy for the queue times. All it is is people complaining that they didn't get it their way.

It never ceases to amaze me that after getting such amazing announcements that all people can do is complain. I really wonder if I'm the only one who is actually excited what's coming down the pipeline...

Can I ask a question? What if the situations were reversed? What if RDM/SAM were 3.0 and AST/DRK/MCH were 4.0? Would melee/caster DPS be complaining they got nothing this time around? Would you still say "You got something last time, sucks to be you?"

This is honest curiosity. I'm personally not upset by the 2 DPS only showing, since I'm a healer anyways. I'll just keep on healing.

[Bhearil]

Personally the main issue with tanks/healer is that right now there are 2 classes each competing for the main spot (drk/pala and ast/whm) while there is only one as the uncontested off duty kings (warr as offtank sch as off healer).

No matter how you balance the pala/whm (they need some love, yes) to be a real main option, as long as warr/schl keep being the best by far off tank/healer the class imbalance would remain. Adding another off tank and off healer class could have solved or at least reduced that issue.

Unless they heavily remake all the tanks and healer to be equally viable as main and off tank/healer, we will keep seeing off tank only wars, off healer only sch unless you are willing to take a subpar compo. At least with the bard spot we got the mch as an alternative so theres at least some choice...

[Felis]

4.0 eye candy for tanks:
more skirts for female tanks to show more leg skin
more shirts for male tanks to show more arm skin
more topless male bosses for female tanks

Can I ask a question? What if the situations were reversed? What if RDM/SAM were 3.0 and AST/DRK/MCH were 4.0? Would melee/caster DPS be complaining they got nothing this time around? Would you still say "You got something last time, sucks to be you?"

This is honest curiosity. I'm personally not upset by the 2 DPS only showing, since I'm a healer anyways. I'll just keep on healing.

2.x Ninja
3.0 AST/DRK/MCH

No complains from melee players, if i rember it correct.
There were some complains from casters, that there were still only 2 caster jobs to choose.

What do you mean?
Bikini armor like in Queen's Blade?

I know that it's a fantasy game, but "female armor" in video games is not what I would call functional.

I think Kosmos mean female gears more like this

[Kosmos992k]

I didn't realize cursing was constituted as childish (it's not). I like how you take issue with that, but not the OP.

It may not be childish as such, but it frequently indicates a limited vocabulary and level of maturity associated with children.

[Kosmos992k]

I think Kosmos mean female gears more like this

Yes, that would be good. But also, take the typical Cuirass style armor for example. It would be nice if some of those sets (all of them?) had a more fitted chest piece and a skirt instead of pants option; generally more fitted and less bulky would be nice. And before anyone says that's impractical, tell that to the Roman Legions who conquered almost all of Europe in 'skirted' leather armor.

[Nominous]

Do you really believe they are going to do something NEW and FRESH for tanks and healers? Because I sure don't. They're gonna nerf AST/SCH and WAR/DRK to be more in line with WHM/PLD and throw on a few new skills. IMO, that is not new and fresh.

I'm glad you know what they're going to do.

Can you tell me what they add to DRG, too? I'm excited to hear.

[FayeEsquire]

As someone who mains heals, I'm perfectly ok with not having a 4th healer to try to level - at least not right away.

Carrots on sticks are always great ways to encourage people to try something new. I'd be really happy if there were mounts for the healing jobs like the tanks. That's actually one why I've been trying out tanking. I want the bear and panther. I already grabbed the lion.

[Belhi]

Ast....Balanced?

Yeah, I would be more encouraged if there words hadn't been 'we will spend as much time on balancing the tanks and healers as we did with the AST'. Considering it took them all expansion and its still unbalanced, it wasn't really reassuring.

I think what bothers me is I am not entirely convinced they understand the issue with the balance between the tank and healing classes. The reason PLD and WHM are currently the odd ones out is they are based around effectively providing unnecessary output. Since WAR and DRK have to have enough mitigation to tank anything, any additional mitigation from PLD becomes wasteful. Likewise a WHM has very powerful heals but healing isn't like dps. There is only so much that needs to be healed. Healing in excess to that has no real value. This is why AST is stronger than WHM at the moment. It can heal enough to fill the role but brings extra that WHM doesn't.

Either they need to change the Meta or they need to give WHM new utility because an identity that is 'strongest heals' is a dud identity and will always place WHM as the least valuable option.

Of course the risk with just adding utility is that it risks swinging things back the other way and also risks Job Homogenisation. Its a pickle and one that I think requires a rethinking of how the Jobs fit into the meta.