I hope this is the last time that raids effect the job choices again

[SnugglesD]

it shows in only Alexander in ur normal df run doesn't matter what tank are what healer u are the only place it matters is when you are tryin to maximize a raid tier so it has plenty to do with raids. There is no other instance in the game where it really makes a difference what tank or healer you are.

You completely missed my point. They have no idea what to do. There's no gimmicks left. If they want to make a new class, it has to BE NEW. They covered all bases in 2.0. There's no new tank or healer because they're out of ideas, not because they're afraid of balancing.

And you're some kind of special if you think class balance shouldn't be a consideration when it comes to creating a new job. You've obviously never played an mmo before. Balance effects a lot more than just raids.

[bswpayton]

You completely missed my point. They have no idea what to do. There's no gimmicks left. If they want to make a new class, it has to BE NEW. They covered all bases in 2.0. There's no new tank or healer because they're out of ideas, not because they're afraid of balancing.
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thats actually incorrect Ive played several other mmos, Im just saying that 9 dps is a bit of over kill , and that the differences in astro and whm , or drk and pali are so small in anything outside of Alexander.

I dont really understand how that is so hard to understand while I plan to raid and Ive done some of the challenging content in the game but the majority of players that play this game do not so I would never want them to base a new job off of something that a small percentage of players complain about. You do not see this wide gap in balance in shom al hard, you dont see it on any primals its only one place and its only one group of people that where vocal about it and it wasnt casuals. Of course balance matters but you cant honestly say , that the gap is so wide in anything outside of raids to where we couldnt of had another healer or tank.

[SnugglesD]

SNIP.

You're missing the point and stringing together lots of ideas that don't really make any sense, separately or combined...

As you play a healer, i'll use that as an example. Just between WHM and SCH, there's no room for another healer. All the healer archetypes are done. Group heals, heals over time, nuke heals, tank heals, damage mitigation, heal/damage hybrid, it's all there. If they're going to make a new healing class, it has to do something different. There's nothing different to do. They designed those two healers to work together and have everything covered. They tried to bridge the gap in 3.0 and we got AST which basically just substitutes for one or the other without standing out on its own. They can't do that again.

WE HAVE NO NEW HEALER BECAUSE THEY DON'T KNOW HOW TO MAKE ONE. It has nothing to do with balancing for raids.

[bswpayton]

You're missing the point and stringing together lots of ideas that don't really make any sense, separately or combined...

As you play a healer, i'll use that as an example. Just between WHM and SCH, there's .

I dont see how it would be possible to make anything different do u want a healer without aoe, are big heals they all have to be similar , same with tanks you cant exactly make them to much different does that mean that we should never have new ones. I dont see how it would be possible to diversify healer or tanks like they do dps, that doesnt mean we should just keep gettin new dps over and over again.

[Naunet]

As you play a healer, i'll use that as an example. Just between WHM and SCH, there's no room for another healer. All the healer archetypes are done. Group heals, heals over time, nuke heals, tank heals, damage mitigation, heal/damage hybrid, it's all there. If they're going to make a new healing class, it has to do something different. There's nothing different to do. They designed those two healers to work together and have everything covered.

We could do for chloromancer-type healer. Take some inspiration from Rift and its many different souls!

[Slirith]

We could do for chloromancer-type healer. Take some inspiration from Rift and its many different souls!

I might play a healer then. Played that class when I played Rift. Not a big fan of whack-a-mole healing.

[Kosmos992k]

You completely missed my point. They have no idea what to do. There's no gimmicks left. If they want to make a new class, it has to BE NEW. They covered all bases in 2.0. There's no new tank or healer because they're out of ideas, not because they're afraid of balancing.

And you're some kind of special if you think class balance shouldn't be a consideration when it comes to creating a new job. You've obviously never played an mmo before. Balance effects a lot more than just raids.

Agility tank and physical healer beg to differ.

[Dzian]

Agility tank and physical healer beg to differ.

Games Design wouldn't cater for an agility tank..

the game is built around unavoidable damage and tank busters for example. it's a big part of why parry is so broken..

Having an agility (evasion) tank would be almost be an exact duplicate of what currently happens with parry and why it's so broken.... no one is ever going to rely on parry to save them from that tank buster. because tank busters never miss. which means an agility tank would never be able to "dodge" one either.

[Fland]

Agility tank and physical healer beg to differ.

they need to revamp the battle system and future battle design before they add physical type healer imo...
because current battle system revolves around healer as ranged DoM with MP usage... there are mechanics where healer MP is drained, others where healers need to stay away from bosses/party, etc.... also support dps like brd and mch have MP regen for DoM... imagine in party if there is TP based healer and they run out of TP while the other DoM healer run out of MP? lol

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Agility tank and physical healer beg to differ.

Like Dzian said, no one will ever rely on RNG to determine their mitigation. Now they could find some way of building stacks or something to guarantee a dodge but Warrior already has stacks covered. At the moment, I think it's far better off they focus on balancing the existing tanks and healers. As for a physical based DPS. I imagine the last thing they want to do is design a healing job that encourages damage.