Regarding Full Party Premades in Frontline and Patch 3.5

[Culfinrandir]

Can someone please explain to me what the issue is with players coordinating, cooperating, and communicating in a...

MASSIVELY MULTIPLAYER ONLINE ROLE PLAYING GAME?

The issue is that they had an unfair advantage against the other players. These aren't a random group of people coming together in the instance to work as a team, they are a team going into an instance solely to obliterate the others. It's not pleasant to play against such people as it's not balanced at all.

[JRosa]

The issue is that they had an unfair advantage against the other players. These aren't a random group of people coming together in the instance to work as a team, they are a team going into an instance solely to obliterate the others. It's not pleasant to play against such people as it's not balanced at all.

It is very well balanced, everyone has the same tools in this game. Learn to play your class, learn to communicate better and you can indeed win against pre-mades. Playing against better players in return makes you a better player. Analyze what went wrong and work from that. Cry about pre-mades all you want but they also started off at a low level of play. The amount of people who refuse to get good is just hilarious.

[Magic-Mal]

It is very well balanced, everyone has the same tools in this game. Learn to play your class, learn to communicate better and you can indeed win against pre-mades. Playing against better players in return makes you a better player. Analyze what went wrong and work from that. Cry about pre-mades all you want but they also started off at a low level of play. The amount of people who refuse to get good is just hilarious.

No matter how good you are, you alone can't carry 23 other people. And expecting 23 random people to be as good as you or better is silly. It isn't silly however when it's a premade though.

[loreleidiangelo]

No matter how good you are, you alone can't carry 23 other people. And expecting 23 random people to be as good as you or better is silly. It isn't silly however when it's a premade though.

I think the implication of the person you are quoting is that the other 23 people should be "getting good" as well, rather than derping around uncoordinated then posting on the forums about getting stomped by premades. This is the reality I'd like to see as well - close matches are the best matches, IMO - but I freely admit it's stupidly ideological at best. Not only do people not learn at the same rate as others, some people just don't give a good goddarn and will keep throwing themselves at content they hate just to get some pixel rewards, and there's not much anyone can do to stop them.

That said, I don't want the removal of group queues, sorry. I don't have as much fun PVPing without my friends, it's as simple as that. If there were some guarantor that "premade" queues would be as populated as "rando" queues I'd have no problem with it, but if there's anything I know about the premade types it's that they're not interested in a fair fight, they're interested in farming 1000 wins cheevo/ADS mounts/Slaughterhouse/Hand of Mercy. So me and my buds would be sitting in a queue alone, with the option of either going solo (and wow, possibly getting matched up with one another and roflstomping randos anyway!) or just giving up on matches for the day.

Mind you, I don't often do full 8-man premades, just because my PVP pool of close friends isn't THAT high. At most we do like 6. But we don't really want the option taken away from us to play matches together. I sympathize with the other side of this argument, I do, but with cross-realm Party Finder and freelancer queue being things now there's really not much reason people can't form their own groups of serious like-minded PVP players and work on countering premades together.