What's with all the hate toward mentors?

[Vhailor]

Do you have any statistics to back that claim up? Or did you just get a few bad mentors and multiplying that by 1000. Gotta love the generalizations.

Of course there are no statistics. There don't need to be any statistics. The number of people lurking on the forums, myself included, who have had enough bad experiences they feel the need to speak up, is itself sufficient evidence.

Asking for statistics is akin to telling climate scientists that you won't believe their claims until they show you, in detail, exactly how a warming climate created a specifically damaging storm. It's an inappropriate and unnecessary level of proof. Which is why, of course, your statement contributes absolutely nothing of value.

[Jetstream_Fox]

I dislike most mentors, as I've stated numerous times in the past on mentors, the system is a joke and let's players who shouldn't be mentors be viewed as "players of good moral standings and knowledge" which I can tell you first hand that's not even close to true. A player who quickly ran up DRG to level 60 won't know as much as a player who has trained and refined DRG since they hit end game. But yet because this other player who leveled DRG to 60 out of being bored, happens to have a healer at 60 and a tank, and they're instantly viewed as a "more knowledgeable player." It's madness.

And don't even give me that excuse that "they have the required commendations and duties ran." Players who run tank and heals are typically promised the commendations, it's dps players who have to work for those. And duties ran is simply play the game X amount of times, can't get any easier than that. Craft and gather mentors have a longer process but it's pretty basic and doesn't require the communities input like battle classes.

The system is flawed, I mean any system they put into play will be flawed, but the current system is just a massive joke, and has no real standing when it comes down to what a mentor is.

[alimdia]

let's players who shouldn't be mentors be viewed as "players of good moral standings and knowledge"

That's not what the system means, that's what you think it means.

Start by throwing away your misconceptions about the system and use SE's definition of the system, then maybe you will see the system is not as bad as you put it.

[Driavna]

Of course there are no statistics. There don't need to be any statistics. The number of people lurking on the forums, myself included, who have had enough bad experiences they feel the need to speak up, is itself sufficient evidence.

Asking for statistics is akin to telling climate scientists that you won't believe their claims until they show you, in detail, exactly how a warming climate created a specifically damaging storm. It's an inappropriate and unnecessary level of proof. Which is why, of course, your statement contributes absolutely nothing of value.

Nope statics are important and you know it, perhaps thats why you are traying so hard to ignore them. Anyway, lets say for the sake of argument that FFXIV had just 100k of players and a total of 10k are complaining about it in this topic, that just 10% of the player base while 90% of player are OK with mentors or don't care.

[Jetstream_Fox]

That's not what the system means, that's what you think it means.

Start by throwing away your misconceptions about the system and use SE's definition of the system, then maybe you will see the system is not as bad as you put it.

What misconceptions? You need 300 commendations, 1000 dungeons or trails, and each role at 60. The definition of mentor whether it's used as a noun or verb, is pretty self explanatory, as a noun it's a trusted or experienced advisor or as a verb, to advise or train. That crown literally means people have intermediate knowledge and have earned high regards from your fellow players.

SEs system was put into place for players who obtained those milestones to be able to guide and train players effectively, if they need help. If you can't train or advise someone as a tank, healer, or dps, because you went through potd for your 60 levels, and have no real knowledge on that class, you shouldn't be a mentor. If you lack the basic communication skills to handle talking and offering advise, you shouldn't be a mentor.

[ShikiRyougi]

mentors should be willing to teach, if you're asked honest questions and refuse to answer because you're just focused on clearing the content then you're being a bad mentor :|

[AmeliaVerves]

Is it true that Mentors are turning their crown off because they don't want to be associated with the stigma surrounding mentors?

Actually, I do this.
Ever since I got my crown, I wore it for about 2 days. Then the first insults came, in a normal lvl50 Roulette. No newbie around, just 4 players doing their dailys.
I was leveling my BLM back then and could not remember the dungeon 100%, so I was a little bit slow with killing stuff and died at first boss due to a mechanic I didn't remember. Instantly got yelled at.
"Haha, most stupid mentor ever!" - "Do you even know how to BLM?" - "Instead of not doing damage maybe you should explain mechanics to us, ever since you are the mentor?!" - "Stupid b***, so proud of your crown, you look like an idiot."
After that I hid the crown and never got it back, because people seem to forget that mentors are also players and also human beings with actual feelings.

I barely do Mentor Roulette.
But whenever I am in a dungeon and I see someone struggling I try to help as much as I can, even though I am not wearing the crown.
Sadly I don't know every class, so I can't offer advice for melees for example. :/

[alimdia]

What misconceptions?

Let me ask you this, do you think fulfilling these requirements:

You need 300 commendations, 1000 dungeons or trails, and each role at 60.

Really mean this?

have intermediate knowledge and have earned high regards from your fellow players.

I'm not asking you about the dictionary definition of mentor, I'm asking you if you think leveling 3 jobs and doing 1000 duties mean that.

If the answer is yes, there is your misconception. I recommend also giving a read to the post made by Risvertasashi, post #8 in the first page, and I would also like to add that there are non battle requirements to become a mentor, but crafting mentors can use the regular crown in dungeons and can do mentor roulette.

[Lufir]

Of course there are no statistics. There don't need to be any statistics. The number of people lurking on the forums, myself included, who have had enough bad experiences they feel the need to speak up, is itself sufficient evidence.

No, a few people speaking out on forums is not sufficient enough evidence. Just because one gang of Lalafell steals New World Jackets, doesn't mean we all do. Statistics would be very helpful on the matter to suggest a proper fix for mentoring. Just take a look at the Feast and the disabled chat. How did the FFXIV team conclude that the chat log was more toxic than it was helpful? Oh um, statistics. The number of people here on the forums who complain about bad mentors might not be comparable to the number of actual good mentors who go unreported to this apparent invisible "average baseline". How many mentors were bad? How many of them were the the same, repeated bad mentor but in different instances? So I'd argue that statistics are pretty much required.

[Jetstream_Fox]

Let me ask you this, do you think fulfilling these requirements:



Really mean this?



I'm not asking you about the dictionary definition of mentor, I'm asking you if you think leveling 3 jobs and doing 1000 duties mean that.

If the answer is yes, there is your misconception. I recommend also giving a read to the post made by Risvertasashi, post #8 in the first page, and I would also like to add that there are non battle requirements to become a mentor, but crafting mentors can use the regular crown in dungeons and can do mentor roulette.

If you actually read what I posted you'd understand I don't think ANY of the requirements to become a mentor mean they have the knowledge and experience to be called one. Like I stated Healers and Tanks get handed commendations, I merely pointed out how players get to that status and HOW that crown gives off the assumptions that these players with them, are better then those without them.