Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[SmallHobbit]

2hrs of pretty casual PvPing is now hard work?

Ask in novice network, FC chat, or anywhere if there is anything you be careful about. Be properly geared (for example, not wearing VIT accessories or i150 gear in Sohr Khai).

i am totally agree with this parts ask FC or who every you can help if DPS or healer wearing VIT gear i would just slap them and say just dont do it! and you are right is really easy to gear good gear but you are also a veteran player same as me but the newbies have no clue how easy they can get good gear, so in my eyes its a part of a good FC to help newbies and tell them some information, because i dont wanna teach newbies about i am also not wearing a metor crown for this reason and also i am in a 1 men FC because i have no interess in this stuff but when you are enter a DF please dont expect to get good players and kick them because of not enough dps, to talk about dps in a dungeon is just ridiculous, more important is when tanks and healers are alright ok and not someone die all way long.

regards hobbit

[Leanna]

Whenever I see a DD with an ilvl 180 weapon in "new" content, I cry a bit and something dies inside me, but instead of kick them I push my dps. Low dps isn't a reason to kick someone imo, unless they aren't using skills and only auto attacks.

[Clethoria]

found out you cheated the ilvl with VIT gear just to sneak in, I'd be tempted to kick as well.

I'm entirely failing to see where you're coming from with this. Sneak your way in? You make it sound like it's some exclusive party and that people shouldn't be allowed to progress unless they can run content at tip top quality. For Extreme and Savage, understandable to want the best because neither are really required for the MSQ. But all I'm seeing is someone who wants to see something new and keep on stepping.

[ChandraNoctis]

I'm entirely failing to see where you're coming from with this. Sneak your way in? You make it sound like it's some exclusive party and that people shouldn't be allowed to progress unless they can run content at tip top quality. For Extreme and Savage, understandable to want the best because neither are really required for the MSQ. But all I'm seeing is someone who wants to see something new and keep on stepping.

Boosting your ilvl with non-class appropriate accessories is cheating the system. It's not against the rules - but its definitely grounds for a vote dismiss if they are also underperforming obviously. Basically the OP is going into content expecting to be carried - and found that the groups they were in didn't want to carry them.

[Llus]

Min iLevel, while you can get away with tricking the system by wearing some pieces of gear at a much higher iLevel and having some gear at a much lower level; you are going to be hurting yourself and your teammates if all of your gear isn't the min iLevel for the dungeon. Your overall stats will be LOWER than the requirement for the dungeon and your DPS will be horrible and will be very noticeable. At the very least, make sure that all your gear meets the min ilevel for the dungeon, one or two pieces won't make a huge difference as long as they're not 10-20 levels below the required iLevel. Expect to be kicked if you're badly cheating the min iLevel requirement.

I would assume, that the mentor or other party member looked at your gear and if you were cheating the iLevel requirement; that's why you were kicked. If you met the iLevel requirement for all but one or two pieces of equipment, it's not a huge deal; everyone will still be carrying you to an extent - but you should be capable of putting out the DPS required to complete the instance even if one or two pieces of gear were a bit low (like accessories only).

The mentor should have let you know why you were being kicked. Just "LOW DPS" doesn't let you know anything and doesn't help you. It just let's them avoid dealing with new players that don't know any better. So, the mentor (or whoever initiated the vote kick) was justified in kicking you, the mentor should have given you advice. Don't wear the crown if you aren't going to do your job. Any time a mentor is wearing their crown, they should be offering advice when they see someone is doing something wrong. That's what you signed up for, if you aren't doing that you're letting experienced people carry you to your mount.

Cross class skills from DRG and MNK are a necessity in end-game content. You can get away without having blood for blood, internal release and invigorate for a while. But you will absolutely need them so it's best to pick them up as soon as possible.

Since there was no specific question asked here, this is the best advice I can give. If you aren't meeting DPS checks and your gear is a a mishmash of iLevels to get you into the dungeon you shouldn't expect 3 other people to carry you through the content and you will end up getting kicked for that. It's rare that you'll be kicked for not having all the cross class skills you need because almost nobody pays attention to when other people are using blood for blood & internal release; but it could happen so be aware of that.

If you're having trouble finding min-ilevel gear for content, there are several stepping-stone gear sets that can help you out.

Crafted i220 and i250 gear is available and will quickly let you get into a ton of content. This stuff is expensive, so if you have crafters in your FC that are willing to help you out; you can seek their help. Be ready to help them out as well because the materials for this gear is also expensive.

Garo PVP gear is iLevel 235. While this should not be used for end-game content, it's an easy way to fill out some minimum requirements while gearing up. PVP is popping pretty quickly now and you should be able to get a full set of i235 gear within a few hours. If you already have some gear above that level, it will be even easier to fill out.

Lore gear is pretty easy to get and will get you a full set of 230 gear pretty quickly. The Garo PVP gear is probably easier to get though and is +5 iLevels over the Lore gear. If you have Lore to spend you can either spend it on Lore gear or the materials needed for the crafted i250 gear; so again check with crafter friends/FC members to see if they can help you out.

Alexandrian gear will also get you meeting min iLevel requirements with i250 gear, but you will need i230 gear at minimum to do the content. You will also be expected to have blood for blood, invigorate and internal release. DPS checks here are pretty heavy for min iLevel and most people farming Alexander normal will be doing so for their secondary classes.

Weapon. This is the biggest improvement you can make for your DPS. The fastest way to get end-game level weapon is the crafted i250 weapon. This will take you into just about every piece of content in the game as you work toward getting your relic weapon or weapon drops from extreme primals or Alexander Savage. Be aware though, that you will be expected to upgrade to a higher iLevel weapon as soon as possible, but the crafted i250 will give you a head-start toward all end-game content. But do not neglect your other gear and expect just your weapon to carry you through; you should still have every piece of equipment meeting the min iLevel for the content.

[Zojha]

I'm entirely failing to see where you're coming from with this.

It's fairly simple, really. The iLvL restriction exists to ensure you have a certain amount of stats. Using an accessory of the wrong job means you'll only benefit from its secondaries, which means your stats will be lower than the item level restriction suggests and thus puts the effective item level of that item a lot lower than the nominal item level, as you do not gain the full item level's worth of stats from it.

The ability to abuse this is one of the flaws of the item level restriction. Another flaw is that every item is weighed the same, even though they have vastly different stats. For item level, a level 150 weapon and a 250 accessory are the same as a 250 weapon and a 150 accessory (if everything else is the same), however, the stats of the prior are significantly higher than the latter. This, too, can be abused to get into content when you actually lack the stats the content demands.

It would be better if SE just checked for the stats directly instead, as that would prevent such loopholes.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

I'm entirely failing to see where you're coming from with this. Sneak your way in? You make it sound like it's some exclusive party and that people shouldn't be allowed to progress unless they can run content at tip top quality. For Extreme and Savage, understandable to want the best because neither are really required for the MSQ. But all I'm seeing is someone who wants to see something new and keep on stepping.

You are purposely putting on gear that can hinder your job just to meet the ilvl requirements instead of simply buying the appropriate gear. If they promptly switch back once the queue pops, they technically don't meet the ilvl now. Basically, it's gaming the system. While not technically cheating, I cannot exactly fault someone if they kick you either.

[MeridaQ]

Boosting your ilvl with non-class appropriate accessories is cheating the system. It\\'s not against the rules - butunderperforming obviously. Basically the OP is going into content expecting to be carried - and found that the groups they were in didn\\'t want to carry them.

Let\\'s be honest here, people are complaining about a few fending accessories on slowing down old story content. The fact that she has a 250 bow which is literally the most important piece, outweighs the bump in ilvl. I don\\'t know about you guys but when I see that in a dungeon I don\\'t go /kick. That content is extremely easy, I give a few suggestions and I cheer for them for every drop they get for their class. If you have so much issue from people not being optimal or overgeared don\\'t DF. Let\\'s be honest everyone has been carried one time or another. Help those around you and bring up the community instead of tearing it down.

[Seig345]

I recently made the mistake of queueing up for the Vault as a Sch with subpar gear. I main healing, originally as Whm then switched to Ast, both I have at 60, but Sch plays a bit different. I was leveling smn but figured since I'm familiar with healing I would switch and made some awful mistakes. Basically, I had lvl 50 gear but a lvl 45 book...

It was the first time I had ever had a tank rage quit on me. We were fine until right after the first boss, we wiped twice on the trash leading to the second and the tank bailed. I felt miserable, but an fc mate filled in and we actually finished the rest of the Vault without wiping (though it did get close several times)

So it does seem like the ilvl requirements definitely aren't super strict, albeit as a veteran player who dropped the ball in several horrible ways, my example is certainly a touch on the extreme side.

[Khemorex]

OP "knows how her job works" but looking at her Lodestone page and the thread in general:
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most mentors dont really notice how annoying they are in reality :P you could have given advice and continued with the dungeon without any troubles , yet im pretty sure some of the mentor continued to build up theyre ego and increase the rage in the group :P
because some people cant stop after one sentence they have to go on and on and on until they flip out :P

while i agree using tank jewelry to get into a dungeon is not the best idea , im pretty sure it was an overreaction from the "mentors".

though since we dont know what really happened in dungeon chat :P its not really up to us to judge the situation.