Mentor Players Kicking newer players from Duty Ques for low DPS

[Rita1989]

I am guessing they saw your i150 white accesories/ head piece and that was why your actually booted because getting booted from a dungeon for low dps is actually incredibly rare from what I have seen, you should also dump the vit gear as dex is your main stat that effects damage.

You may want to run some of the lower dungeons and get tomes/gear first before continuing as i150 was low for the first HW dungeons let alone Sohr Khai and the gap is going to continue the more further you get in dungeons.

The mentor should have at least explained why he was booting you but unfortunately most just have it to get the mount from it.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

If I could find a way to post both chat logs then I would..there is literally nothing else to this. I stated in the beginning both times I am new to the dungeon, hello but I understand the mechanics. Did not say anything after both times and yet i get kicked. The reason I am bringing it up is because this has been the ONLY time its happened. Kicking players because you cant speedrun through is a problem. Especially if a Mentor started it which they did both times

People are arguing mainly because you are not giving enough information. As for the other players to bring up dps their must of been a wipe somewhere along the line. My guess is after the first big pull the mobs were not killed fast enough.

If this was the case then the kick was deserved, as due to you not having that extra TP to spam AOE's caused a wipe.

[Brian_]

So what I am gathering from people in this thread that it is okay to kick players in a Duty Party Que because they have not met "the" parties requirement as what a DPS should be and shame on that individual for queing for a dungeon that unlocked for him at a certain lvl? Even tho that the previous 100+ dungeons ran with no wipe or problems. Not everyone who plays this game can put 6-10 hours a day into it to get everything they need. Sometimes they enjoy FF and want to enjoy story content with the limited amount of time they have. There should be no reason if a dungeon or trial is unlocked for you that you should be voted out for lacking abilities. If I was queing for (Hard) or (Extreme) or Raids then maybe. Im playing story content!

What you should gather from this thread is simple.

You are playing a multiplayer game. You are queuing into team content.

This has nothing to do with mentors. It has to do with etiquette and entitlement.

You are asking 3 other people to respect the way you want to play. Ask yourself a simple question. Are you respecting the way they want to play the game? So why do you deserve to get what you want when they don't?

You're asking 3 people to invest their time and help you. What exactly have you done to help them back? You certainly weren't helping by bringing the DPS. You certainly weren't helping by wearing i150 gear that was outdated in 3.0. You certainly weren't helping by not having your CC skills.

Again, what exactly are those 3 people supposed to think when they see that? Do you know what I'd think? I'd think this person obviously doesn't get a crap about my time so why should I give a crap about theirs?

[Pure3ify]

Well of course I am going to misunderstand, being frustrated and then reading what you and others wrote will get to you. I stated that I understand I dont have cross class abilities and that i knew i was lacking in that regard. I didnt come here looking for help, if so I would have stated so in my original post. I came to the thread to see if anyone else had this experience. Kicking for not speed running or thata dungeon is taking longer is not right. Thats why they give you 60+ mins to complete it. I brought up Mentors because it was both times a Mentor started it. Don't misunderstand me, I do appreciate the advice but not advice im already aware of.

[SmallHobbit]

Agreed. If they do not want to mentor, do not wear the stupid crown.

totally agree i am able to wear the crown since the beginning, but i turn it off directly. because i dont want waste my time to teach other players, i want to play the game and enjoy the game my self, it took my a while to learn about all the stuff ingame so why the newbie should take not the same time to learn all the stuff!? i am not a big fan off ppl get carried through everything

anyway i still wouldn`t kick someone from a dungeon only because he is a newbie no matter how much dps he do otherwise i would need kick ppl from every roulette or dungeon because they do not enough dps

regards hobbit

[Brian_]

If you ever take the full lock-out to finish a dungeon, then I don't know what to say.

I could leave the dungeon, uninstall the game, reinstall the game, requeue for the dungeon, get into an average group, and still finish faster than 60 minutes.

[Chevronone]

Mentor system is a joke. 90% of them are just looking for their mount.

[Reinha]

Sorry you are being given a hard time. We have no way of knowing what really happened so evaluating your dps is difficult, but the fact that the mentor didn't instruct you on how to improve your play is a clear violation of the terms of being a mentor. And honestly I've helped plenty of low geared players of any role finish a dungeon because dungeons are how you gear up. Geez. Patience is a virtue I'd expect from any mentor.

On the other hand gear is only one of your issues. Getting lancer to 34 would help you as a bard and I'd get it done asap. Palace of the Dead is a good leveling method and it's also the fastest way to get a good level 60 weapon. A 235 bow will get you far and later you can upgrade it to 255 which is enough for all normal content. You can go in to Palace as a lancer, and when you have enough points (+30/+30) just swap to bard and the NPC will give you a bard weapon.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Well of course I am going to misunderstand, being frustrated and then reading what you and others wrote will get to you. I stated that I understand I dont have cross class abilities and that i knew i was lacking in that regard. I didnt come here looking for help, if so I would have stated so in my original post. I came to the thread to see if anyone else had this experience. Kicking for not speed running or thata dungeon is taking longer is not right. Thats why they give you 60+ mins to complete it. I brought up Mentors because it was both times a Mentor started it. Don't misunderstand me, I do appreciate the advice but not advice im already aware of.

Nope the reason you get 60+ minutes to complete it is to account for update day when it is new. People are figuring out the mechanics etc to the fights. If you think players are gonna stay in any dungeon for 60 mins you are deluded.

I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party.

This statement really p****s me off. Yes its your sub bla blah blah blah. Yet those other 2-3 people can come on and say the exact same thing it's my sub I am allowed to vote kick. We can go round in circles on this, your gear is low and you don't have the skills. You now know this, so go spend the time getting them instead of arguing about it.

My bow is lvl 250 its just my accesories and helmet which is item lvl 150. Everything else is 250 and i dont have 2 cross class abilities. I never had an issue up until now because im so late into the game that everyone is looking for speedruns and currency from dungeons. I appreciate your comment and i understand what i need to invest time into. You just find it hard when you only got a handful of hours a day to do something with the already long que times for a DPS. Im averaging 1.5k a hit and 1k or so with normal heavy shot if a combo is used correctly im doing over 2.5k. Never hit 3k tho lol

You have added some high pieces in to cheat the ilvl system. The minimum ilvl is there expecting you to have all/majority of gear at that ilvl. Also it doesnt matter that you have a few items 250. Yes you hit the ilvl, but when it syncs you down the 250 items are capped but your accessories are way under the cap. This means your damage is going to be massively reduced.

Average ilvl 200

You set total stats when synced roughly vs someone with just 200 gear

847 Dex vs 1000
579 Acc vs 540
603 crit vs 599
504 Det vs 535
592 skill vs 675
807 Vit vs 720

** I replaced your 250 pieces with void/highest 200 weapon and compared it to someone with full void/highest 200 weapon.
***Could be slightly worse or better as it was roughly done. I am sure some of you math kids could do it better :P

[Pure3ify]

What you should gather from this thread is simple.

This is gold. Okay, so how would you expect a casual player who has 2-3 hours maybe a day to play to find enough time to cater to everyones "time"? I pay my subscription fee not the tank or the healer or the other DPS in the party. I am not even through my 2nd month into the game so yes, im sorry I dont have every gear piece and accesory and character lvl 60 or upgraded to the 3.4 content. Im sorry if that makes your dungeon run last longer. I should have thought about your time before entering the dungeon. This isnt rocket science. Im not dating you. Why make it so complicated? If a dungeon unlocked for me and i met the gear lvl requirements why am i at fault?