What I've noticed when one of the healers die.

[Yeol]

8-man party.

Two healers. I understand that one of them will be doing 80% of the healing while the other is helping with 20% (Tank busters and big AoE damage).

Aka he is saying "I can handle this, you can dps".

BUT. What I don't understand is when that healer (Lets call him main healer since is pretty much doing most of the work) dies. The other healer is very slow to react to that.

Example; when the MT dies the OT almost immediately provokes and takes charge of the situation. We don't see this happening with healers.

Main healer dies? It is 90% chance of wipe because the other healer did not take charge and coverup for him.

I've seen this a lot in 24-man raid. Is it hard to cover up?

[MaloraYuki]

I feel like it depends on the group honestly. I've had more runs lately that it's like the OT is taking a nap, main tank dies and no one grabs aggro or even attempts.
Yet like you've said I've watched the same thing happen with healers. I think the problem is people in the off tank or off healer role sometimes check out and don't realize right away that something bad happened? I've also had groups where healers work extremely efficient with each other. I get what you mean tho, and sometimes things can be hard to come back from based on the rest of the group make up too. If main healer dies and the rest of the group is taking insane damage from not dodging or any other possibility that seems to occur it can be hard to bounce back from. It's all just situational.

[DynamoAce]

Majority of the time I am the OH and if I have swiftcast ready (Which unless someone else died prior for whatever reason I always have it) then I immediately go for it. Not like it's that difficult.

[Spiroglyph]

I don't think 24-man instances are examples good enough to stereotype healers in general - as I see it a lot of people in 24-mans don't even necessarily go in as their main class, because they're hoping to gear up alts.

I main healer (SCH specifically) but having a set of 260 gear that is upgradable makes Dun Scaith drops redundant, so I've been going as BLM (alt which i frequently play) ever since 3.5 was released. Admittedly, most of the healers I see in that place have no idea what the heck they're doing... they can't even keep their tanks alive, much less react quickly to such changes. Most wipes I've seen in DS so far happen partially because one team's healers die (thus the whole team ends up dying shortly after), and NO ONE pays attention to the allince member list to see if any of the other teams needs any support.

Most healers there either DPS-only, thus dumping the responsability of doing any actual work on the other healer, or stand around uselessly casting regens when no raid wide damage is happening. D:

[Yeol]

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Yeah I underhand. I do Dun Scaith as a healer myself but at least I know what I'm doing

This situation happens with Alexander Normal as well, not just 24-man raid but it mostly happens there.
The reason you mentioned might be the case.

[Edewen]

the difference is pretty clear

When the offtank is smacking the boss and it turns towards him, something is very obvious and in thier direct view.
When the main healer dies, the offhealer is in dps mode only healing when needed. The more familiar they are with the fight more they focus on dps knowing when those times occur. They simply aren't looking at health bars while trying to dps.

So in the end, the difference is the how obvious it is when it happens.

As for 24 mans, that is where people go to play badly. Haf the time im in there and we wipe, it is because healers in one group go down and the other groups dont even have the alliances on thier ui to res them.

[Claire_Pendragon]

For me, as OT or OH, it depends on the content, and how used to it I am.
If most of my runs, nothing goes wrong, and if the group does great on the 1st couple of bosses, I end up "checking out" assuming the others have it.
If the content is something ive done a few times, but im still semi new to, ill be slow to react, since ill assume it will play out like my other experiences.

but if ive done it for months, and i know people tend to wipe at a certain mechanic in 1 boss fight (example being ozma) ill be ready to take over, even if everything has been smooth up until now.

[ADVSS]

how often are dps looking at the party stat bars? Even SMN who have to maintain dots, T mean a good co healer will be monitoring it constantly but ya know.... Im much more concerned about what happens when the only healer or both healers die

[bounddreamer]

It depends on the run. If both healers have good awareness of the raid and each other, it's going to continue smoothly. The off healer will send out a raise and keep the heals going until they can get the other healer back on their feet. What I usually do is keep the raised person hard targeted so I can send an essential dignity their way and re-protect.

I've had really good duty finders where the other healer and I found a good balance with each other.

Runs go really well when I'm in with a co-healer from my FC who's in voice chat, because we can communicate and divide things up really well. With DF I wait to see if the other healer is going to raise; with an FC mate I tell them I'm going to do a raise or need them to watch the party or tank while I do a slow raise.

[Lollie]

Confirmation bias I think. Been in several situations where in 24 man content not a single provke being thrown for a good 2 minutes after mt went down (it was the revived mt that finally did do so). Been in several 8 man contents where mt goes down and ot continues doing the ot mechanics instead of picking the boss up as it proceeds to systematically tank buster the rest of tge party members.
I've seen healer never heal and blame deaths on dps/tanks for taking too much unavoidable damage, and seen heals called out for letting people die when they stood in every possible dodgeable aoe.

To the matter at hand, you may be noticing the healers more then tanks because, when a tank goes down it is usually to a tank buster that is only hitting one person (theoretically) and usually both healers are doing some healing mitigation to deal with it, and the recovery mentality is keep the other tank up to stabalize the fight. (In addition lots of fights have a party killing cleave that immediatly follows the tbs and no one in their right mind is going to complain to an ot about not being able to stop that, reducing the possible instances where a mt death is recoverable to begine with.) When a single healer goes down it is usually to an aoe hit after they get picked for a single target part damaging move which is usually healed through by the mh alone. The heal priority is also different, second healer (now solo healer) stays alive at all costs or everyone is dead in about 30 seconds give or take.