So... that spiderman shirt... (new job tease)

[TarynH]

It's no doubt Blue Mage will make it into this game at some point

Maybe the same time as SAM? Gasp!

I've already explained how that's a poor example, as the dialogue that mentioned the color blue was not present in the other 3 languages, nor was it a direct name drop, merely an obvious nod. It's also vague enough to be interpreted as something that comes after red mage, not with it.

So let me get this straight. You cited the exact same event. Where it was a weak reference to "what comes next?" as your "evidence," but I can't use that same event where they're fighting over RDM and BLU?

And you cite yet another weak reference about someone saying that samurai exist? Yeah... and water is wet. Duh. We already know they "exist" in the lore of the game. The job itself is probably in the game, and I've never denied that. I said I find it odd they'd "leak" it before the announcement, is all.

I'm not one of those SAM or BLU, my way or the highway people. But since this thread is about the shirt, precisely, I feel the shirt eludes to BLU more than SAM. That is not to say SAM can't also be in the game with BLU.

I'm not denying evidence for Blue Mage, only that the evidence being reached for is weak and unsubstantial in comparison, especially in comparison to Samurai.

But you are. Every time you say "unsubstantial," you are denying that any evidence for BLU exists, when it's quite the contrary. A file name can be changed, or dropped, just as easily as one can be added. That samjob file could just as easily turn into pupjob during the next patch.

This is simply not evidence actually, the quote you're referring to in the article is in brackets, meaning it's the words of the writer, not a quote from Yoshida.

Even my obviously facetious "evidence" is not "evidence" to you. I get it. Your little Lalafell heart is set on SAM. Hope you made room in there for BLU and PUP too.

All he said about the color red on the spiderman shirt was on stage that he jokingly wanted to put on a red shirt because the color theme for Stormblood is red. He never said he likes red, but also likes blue, where you're pulling that from is beyond me.

The best translation we got was that he mentioned blue there. Since I don't know Japanese, I kind of went with the translators on reddit at the time. That's where I'm "pulling" it from.

This same weak garbage once again. A character sharing a name is nothing new in this game, and tizona, while a BLU relic in FFXI, is still a historical sword just like any other sword used in FF games that are often recurring. Raubhan in FFXIV has zero correlation to Blue Mage outside of simply sharing some names (cause surprise, a lot of the devs are the same!) A callback and nothing more. He doesn't look like a blue mage, he doesn't fight like a blue mage.
I guess Seer is guaranteed to be coming now, since Krile not only shares her name but also iconic cat-ear hood and even casts healing spells too. She's a far better example of your logic than Raubhan could ever be in the slightest.

Again, you deny even the slightest little things. Krile could actually fit the role of seer. Whether or not that job is introduced is a question for later. Raubahn fits the role of a BLU. His weapons of choice are used by BLU in another game. He also uses abilities that closely resemble Ifrit's. Oddly, none of this came out until the 3.X story arc. His whole entire character is a big reference to BLU in FFXI. A game where BLU was explored more than other games in the franchise. They're not even trying hard to hide it, if you ask me. But because a random NPC in a village doesn't say "I'm reminded of the Blue Mages of old, that used to get their powers from monsters," you turn a blind eye to it.

Astrologian, Machinist, Dark Knight. Where were they mentioned before 3.0? Ninja had a few references, but what about the other jobs?

Yet they're going to tease it with a shirt just like the other jobs, and save it for a big announcement during the key note just like the other jobs? And treat it just like the reveal of all the past expansion jobs even though it's not going to be like them at all? Your logic contradicts itself.

AST did not get a shirt at all. Does that mean it's not really a job?

That was one possible theory on why he didn't really want to go in depth about what they could do with BLU, or why he purposely talked about why traditional BLU wouldn't work in FFXIV.

[VeliusVire]

Astrologians were actually mentioned since 2.0 in Coerthas Central Highlands Just saying! MCH/DRK however, I've got no sources for.

[Shippuu]

So let me get this straight. You cited the exact same event. Where it was a weak reference to "what comes next?" as your "evidence," but I can't use that same event where they're fighting over RDM and BLU?

Because there's a significant difference between being directly stated by name in dialogue from the Director/Produce of the game, and random bubble text from two characters off to the side that don't directly name the jobs nor is that information present in the other 3 languages of the game.

How you have a hard time grasping this is beyond me.

And you cite yet another weak reference about someone saying that samurai exist? Yeah... and water is wet. Duh. We already know they "exist" in the lore of the game. The job itself is probably in the game, and I've never denied that. I said I find it odd they'd "leak" it before the announcement, is all.

Acknowledgement that the job exists, referenced by name, within the setting is honestly not something that should be shrugged off lightly. While the notion that yes, samurai likely existed in some form in the setting, this is a more substantial and direct mention of them.
Again you act like they intentionally meant to leak anything, accidents happen, look at the SE NA twitter account which posted Red Mage was one of two jobs for Stormblood, then immediately taken down and corrected. Mistakes happen.

But you are. Every time you say "unsubstantial," you are denying that any evidence for BLU exists, when it's quite the contrary. A file name can be changed, or dropped, just as easily as one can be added. That samjob file could just as easily turn into pupjob during the next patch.

Saying a piece of evidence is unsubstantial is not the same as denying it exists. The evidence for BLU is weaker than the evidence for SAM, it's simply the truth.

Even my obviously facetious "evidence" is not "evidence" to you. I get it. Your little Lalafell heart is set on SAM. Hope you made room in there for BLU and PUP too.

You tried to pass something that a website journalist wrote as being a direct quote from Yoshida when it wasn't in an attempt at a "gotcha!" moment. That's not facetious, that's deceitful (or maybe just dumb in your case).

And Yoshida's already commented they aren't even considering PUP for implementation in FFXIV, so I won't have to make room for anything there.

The best translation we got was that he mentioned blue there. Since I don't know Japanese, I kind of went with the translators on reddit at the time. That's where I'm "pulling" it from.

Back it up then, since you like posting sources. Because I was there too and remember no reference to blue during the spiderman shirt reveal.

Again, you deny even the slightest little things. Krile could actually fit the role of seer. Whether or not that job is introduced is a question for later. Raubahn fits the role of a BLU. His weapons of choice are used by BLU in another game. He also uses abilities that closely resemble Ifrit's. Oddly, none of this came out until the 3.X story arc. His whole entire character is a big reference to BLU in FFXI. A game where BLU was explored more than other games in the franchise. They're not even trying hard to hide it, if you ask me. But because a random NPC in a village doesn't say "I'm reminded of the Blue Mages of old, that used to get their powers from monsters," you turn a blind eye to it.

Raubahn uses a sword BLU used in a single game and no where else. His abilities he uses have nothing to do with ifrit in name or execution, but a merely re-used assets just like so much in this game because it saves development time. All of his ability names are explained by the fact his sword, Tizona, which he took from a rival on the bloodsands, is a cursed magical blade.

His whole entire character is not a reference to BLU in FFXI, only his name and vaguely the name of his Grand Company. I turn a blind eye because it's nothing but wishful thinking with nothing but vague references and mental gymnastics trying to pidgeon hole him into something he's not just so you have a leg to stand on in this debate.

[TarynH]

just so you have a leg to stand on in this debate.

Wait. We were having a debate? In that case, I concede to you, oh master debater. I'm just here out of boredom. Didn't know we were in it for realsies.

I'll go back to doting on NPCs through my strange ninja mask. Good luck on your samurai.