FFXIV: Cheat 2 Win - The New Norm?

[Vexander]

How is that not price fixing? It's even worse than that since anyone putting a high ticket item on the market sees the price they selected to sell at being involuntarily decreased. That's a terrible way to do things and is absolutely price fixing. I can't see many crafters who paid for the rare mats to make something bothering to list the crafted item if they know that in the space of a few hours he system will drop it below profitability.

Remember the items on the MB are put there by players, not the game itself, yet you want the game to treat those items in a similar way to the decreasing price of housing plots.

Yes, I do. If Crafters dislike it so much they can always sell their wares in ways other than the MB such as actually talking to players. This creates the opportunity to negotiate, to bargain, to barter. Right now, given that retainers sell your items for you on the MB, there isn't a way to contact a Crafter to offer a different price.

[Adire]

Yes, I do. If Crafters dislike it so much they can always sell their wares in ways other than the MB such as actually talking to players. This creates the opportunity to negotiate, to bargain, to barter. Right now, given that retainers sell your items for you on the MB, there isn't a way to contact a Crafter to offer a different price.

I think it would be better to create a two way marketboard like some games have. Where people can put up buy orders and sell orders. That's a stretch though since it's likely to bring on the usual "limitations" arguments and such.

[Kosmos992k]

Yes, I do. If Crafters dislike it so much they can always sell their wares in ways other than the MB such as actually talking to players. This creates the opportunity to negotiate, to bargain, to barter. Right now, given that retainers sell your items for you on the MB, there isn't a way to contact a Crafter to offer a different price.

So, essentially shut the market board down and make crafters sell by shouting or PF? I don't see that as a practical solution to what is less of an actual problem, and more of an annoyance. I mean I agree about the cost of things, it took me months to get Kos the Thav Bustier because on my server their price didn't drop to anything reasonable until something like 6 months after they were in-game. Then SE crashed the market by giving them out like candy in PoTD... but that's another issue entirely. However, direct manipulation of the market board as you describe, or basically killing it is not the answer - IMHO.

[Vexander]

So, essentially shut the market board down and make crafters sell by shouting or PF? I don't see that as a practical solution to what is less of an actual problem, and more of an annoyance. I mean I agree about the cost of things, it took me months to get Kos the Thav Bustier because on my server their price didn't drop to anything reasonable until something like 6 months after they were in-game. Then SE crashed the market by giving them out like candy in PoTD... but that's another issue entirely. However, direct manipulation of the market board as you describe, or basically killing it is not the answer - IMHO.

I don't know. I think a depreciation of value based on time makes absolutely perfect sense. In life, any goods that stay on a shelf and don't sell will get marked down, or otherwise completely taken off the market.

[Kosmos992k]

I don't know. I think a depreciation of value based on time makes absolutely perfect sense. In life, any goods that stay on a shelf and don't sell will get marked down, or otherwise completely taken off the market.

That already happens on the MB. When items don't move, most sellers will discount them. I know I do. You're describing a process that sellers themselves undertake, to reduce prices to move old goods, that's not an automated thing in stores IRL, it's a management decision made by the sellers of the goods.

[Vexander]

That already happens on the MB. When items don't move, most sellers will discount them. I know I do. You're describing a process that sellers themselves undertake, to reduce prices to move old goods, that's not an automated thing in stores IRL, it's a management decision made by the sellers of the goods.

Or a decision made by corporate. Or in the case of perishable goods, they're removed by law. Expiration Dates and all.

[Kosmos992k]

Or a decision made by corporate. Or in the case of perishable goods, they're removed by law. Expiration Dates and all.

Eikon gear is not perishable, and although my wife might qualify as the corporate decision maker, SE does not.

I just don't think that there is a solution to this problem other than artificially rigging the market to curtail the free market - in the context of this game and game economy.

[zXr]

Every game has its pool of undesirables, but when it comes down to it Devs have to set priorities. To that extent actions such as strictly enforcing their ToS/EULA does not happen as the amount of 'man power' needed to police the game would result in higher subs, likely 2-3x the current. There are many limitations with software that spans over multiple platforms and allows players to interact among players with other platforms that software that are restricted to a single platform do not have.

How much freedom are people/players willing to give up for the sake of safety and security?

Speaking on a more philosophical area: the concept of a true lasting peace is impossible much like happiness, what is peaceful to one could be death threats to another, what makes one happy makes another sad -- This is the problem with intelligent life forms, we all perceive things differently, while some are close enough to each other to reach common ground, no one is the same like snowflakes.

[aesteval]

Now if the prices had been more reasonable back when it was new, I might have gone for it. And of course, 'Reasonable Prices,' is subjective. There are players out there with enough gil to buy entire housing wards. Then there is the 99% of players who don't gave millions of gil on hand to throw at whatever the latest crafted set is.

The best way to fix it is to have more players participating to compete with each other (as opposed to bots.) If I remember correctly: the 220 gear was released right when the time gated grind was being eased up on for crafting and gathering (ie: it was the first set of new gear post favour farming?) Any players who were a little late to endgame crafting and gathering didn't have a good catch up mechanism at that point and that would have limited the number of players participating. Granted there's also the matter of the first to market always tends to go for a high price because it'll end up being undercut anyway.

[aesteval]

Now I suppose to feel sorry for the crafters because they're making less money because of the gatherer bots? Hell no.

Gatherer bots don't hurt crafters, gatherer bots hurt gatherers. People who are as self centered as you and focus solely on crafting are as happy to see bots gathering as much as you are.