FFXIV: Cheat 2 Win - The New Norm?

[Kosmos992k]

I don't believe in price fixing. I believe in some automated system wherein prices get dropped to a, "Reasonable," level within a short period of time. The higher the price, the faster it goes down.

How is that not price fixing? It's even worse than that since anyone putting a high ticket item on the market sees the price they selected to sell at being involuntarily decreased. That's a terrible way to do things and is absolutely price fixing. I can't see many crafters who paid for the rare mats to make something bothering to list the crafted item if they know that in the space of a few hours he system will drop it below profitability.

Remember the items on the MB are put there by players, not the game itself, yet you want the game to treat those items in a similar way to the decreasing price of housing plots.

Oh, and let me just add, I am by *no* means a rich crafter, non of my crafting jobs are even past level 52, nor my gatherers. So, I'm not arguing from the point of view of being filthy rich and wanting it to stay that way. The way I see it, if we could do away with bots permanently, the entire market would be healthier, and that would in the long term benefit me as a player. Price fixing on the other hand would really not help me at all.

[Vexander]

How is that not price fixing? It's even worse than that since anyone putting a high ticket item on the market sees the price they selected to sell at being involuntarily decreased. That's a terrible way to do things and is absolutely price fixing. I can't see many crafters who paid for the rare mats to make something bothering to list the crafted item if they know that in the space of a few hours he system will drop it below profitability.

Remember the items on the MB are put there by players, not the game itself, yet you want the game to treat those items in a similar way to the decreasing price of housing plots.

Yes, I do. If Crafters dislike it so much they can always sell their wares in ways other than the MB such as actually talking to players. This creates the opportunity to negotiate, to bargain, to barter. Right now, given that retainers sell your items for you on the MB, there isn't a way to contact a Crafter to offer a different price.

[Adire]

Yes, I do. If Crafters dislike it so much they can always sell their wares in ways other than the MB such as actually talking to players. This creates the opportunity to negotiate, to bargain, to barter. Right now, given that retainers sell your items for you on the MB, there isn't a way to contact a Crafter to offer a different price.

I think it would be better to create a two way marketboard like some games have. Where people can put up buy orders and sell orders. That's a stretch though since it's likely to bring on the usual "limitations" arguments and such.

[Kosmos992k]

Yes, I do. If Crafters dislike it so much they can always sell their wares in ways other than the MB such as actually talking to players. This creates the opportunity to negotiate, to bargain, to barter. Right now, given that retainers sell your items for you on the MB, there isn't a way to contact a Crafter to offer a different price.

So, essentially shut the market board down and make crafters sell by shouting or PF? I don't see that as a practical solution to what is less of an actual problem, and more of an annoyance. I mean I agree about the cost of things, it took me months to get Kos the Thav Bustier because on my server their price didn't drop to anything reasonable until something like 6 months after they were in-game. Then SE crashed the market by giving them out like candy in PoTD... but that's another issue entirely. However, direct manipulation of the market board as you describe, or basically killing it is not the answer - IMHO.

[Vexander]

So, essentially shut the market board down and make crafters sell by shouting or PF? I don't see that as a practical solution to what is less of an actual problem, and more of an annoyance. I mean I agree about the cost of things, it took me months to get Kos the Thav Bustier because on my server their price didn't drop to anything reasonable until something like 6 months after they were in-game. Then SE crashed the market by giving them out like candy in PoTD... but that's another issue entirely. However, direct manipulation of the market board as you describe, or basically killing it is not the answer - IMHO.

I don't know. I think a depreciation of value based on time makes absolutely perfect sense. In life, any goods that stay on a shelf and don't sell will get marked down, or otherwise completely taken off the market.

[Kosmos992k]

I don't know. I think a depreciation of value based on time makes absolutely perfect sense. In life, any goods that stay on a shelf and don't sell will get marked down, or otherwise completely taken off the market.

That already happens on the MB. When items don't move, most sellers will discount them. I know I do. You're describing a process that sellers themselves undertake, to reduce prices to move old goods, that's not an automated thing in stores IRL, it's a management decision made by the sellers of the goods.

[Vexander]

That already happens on the MB. When items don't move, most sellers will discount them. I know I do. You're describing a process that sellers themselves undertake, to reduce prices to move old goods, that's not an automated thing in stores IRL, it's a management decision made by the sellers of the goods.

Or a decision made by corporate. Or in the case of perishable goods, they're removed by law. Expiration Dates and all.

[Kosmos992k]

Or a decision made by corporate. Or in the case of perishable goods, they're removed by law. Expiration Dates and all.

Eikon gear is not perishable, and although my wife might qualify as the corporate decision maker, SE does not.

I just don't think that there is a solution to this problem other than artificially rigging the market to curtail the free market - in the context of this game and game economy.