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    PvP gear frowned upon outside of PvP. Why?

    Ok, so ive read that pvp gear is frowned upon outside of pvp. For a casual player that does not raid, gearing a job thats not my main, i can throw on a set of 235 pvp gear infinitely faster than i can put together a lore set. I see that materia effects only work in pvp, so thats definitely a downside. But if the stats are weighted overall better for a pvp set than a lore set, whats the problem?
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    Player MilesSaintboroguh's Avatar
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    They generally have worse stats, secondary stats, and a morale stat that has no effect outside of PvP.
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    Im saying if the stats were better. So, i guess what im asking is, is there a downside i dont know about to pvp gear that makes it worse than pve gear as a blanket statement. Or is it case by case? Example: The Lore aiming head is inferior to the 235 aiming head. So, why would i not use the pvp head?
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    Xoria Tepes
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zhainekyo View Post
    Example: The Lore aiming head is inferior to the 235 aiming head.
    Makai aiming head piece total statweight: 113.473
    UNupgraded lore head piece total statweight: 108.349

    You'd be correct, however, the piece is upgraded to:

    Augmented lore head piece total statweight: 116.815

    Doesn't really matter, because even the diabolic hat of aiming is better (133.106). Unless you plan to completely stagnate on gear, you're only hurting yourself in the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh View Post
    They generally have worse stats, secondary stats, and a morale stat that has no effect outside of PvP.
    They don't. Morale is a free stat. Its not taking away other stats.
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    Azi Kerilade
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    There's no Accuracy on PvP gear, so you miss plenty of your attacks compared to PvE gear.
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    I had not noticed that there was no accuracy at all. Thats definitely a reason not to do a full set. But i dont see the problem with bridging a gap you have until you you can get a script piece to replace it. My Bard has 783 accuracy. Its driving me nuts. But i am capped on script all the time gearing other jobs. Replacing the torrent head with the pvp head alleviates this completely, replacing all that extra accuracy with crit while maintaining the skill speed.
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    Rintha Elenah
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    It's probably just frowned upon because i235 is considered low, nowadays. It's probably just fine for current experts, normal trials, maybe even normal Alexander. As for its stats, there's no indication that they're any lower than any other PvE gear, as the morale stat isn't part of the ilvl budget.
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    As a rule of thumb ilvl > secondary stats, since higher ilvl means higher main stats and the weighs of those will impact your performance more heavily.

    Also... isn't 235 rather low nowadays? I mean, i250 is practically raining down on you from alex drops specially if you have a relic to finish, and lore isn't all that hard to get either, so why would you go for gear which has lower ilvl and secondary stats that are overall more useful in pvp?

    For one, pvp gear in general has no acc and you're going to need some of that for pretty much everything that isn't pvp...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spiroglyph View Post
    I mean, i250 is practically raining down on you from alex drops
    Try to complete a full set with another 7 people rolling for the same items as you do, and then tell me how much time you wasted. Also roll 1 every time ^
    Really, the "go do Alex for good gear" isn't worth the time nor the effort, since you can spend weeks for one piece. If SE could add books aswell to the normal mode then, that would be a viable option.

    The new Garo gear is nice to gear classes that just hit 60, since you have an acceptable ilvl to do the new dungeons and get better gear for them.
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