How to Dragoon per Second: A DPS Paradigm

[aleph_null]

Quick question since I'm planning to slowly make my relic as well, does that mean that having any more than 625 sks is completely useless if my GCD is 2.39s already?

Some people believe sks reduces gcd in tiers (599 = 2.40, 625 = 2.39), while others believe that every point of sks counts, just the UI won't show the decimals past the hundredths. If the former is true then yes any sks past 625 is wasted until you reach the 2.38 tier (which is 651 iirc).

[Aquaslash]

You just swap it in if it's crit/det. But the accuracy relic BiS is slightly better right now, about 3 more DPS in simulation (yes, even losing 1 WD! No, I have not lost my mind here; WD values have never been this high and goon secondary itemization hasn't had to face a dilemma like the alexandrian/scripture pants before).

How did this happen? I'm truly curious because I see so much talk about WD being the end all be all of everything.

[aleph_null]

How did this happen? I'm truly curious because I see so much talk about WD being the end all be all of everything.

The scaling of dps with respect to crit is quadratic, so the more crit you have, the more valuable every additional point of crit is. This is the opposite of det/WD/str, since the scaling of dps with respect to det/WD/str is linear, they have diminishing returns.

[Aquaslash]

The scaling of dps with respect to crit is quadratic, so the more crit you have, the more valuable every additional point of crit is. This is the opposite of det/WD/str, since the scaling of dps with respect to det/WD/str is linear, they have diminishing returns.

Was there a certain threshold in crit that we passed to get to this point?

[aleph_null]

Was there a certain threshold in crit that we passed to get to this point?

No, it's not related to any threshold. But if you ask whether there was a threshold where 1 point of crit was less valuable than 1 point of det, there might be, though I don't know and it doesn't seem relevant anymore.


Think of it as something like this, f (damage) is a function of x (crit), and f(x) = x^2.

If your crit is 100, then f(100) = 10000, adding 1 crit here would give you f(101) = 10201, which is a 201 damage increase.

But if your crit is 1000, then f(1000) = 1000000, adding 1 crit here would give you f(1001) = 1002001, a 2001 increase.


Meanwhile det is like this, f (damage) is a function of x (det), and f(x) = 5x.

No matter how much det you have, adding 1 point of det would increase f's value by 5.

[LiquidSwordz]

So if the current 270 relic with acc/crit is only 3 dps higher than the alex spear, how big will the dps gain be once it reaches 275?

[CookieMonsta]

How did this happen? I'm truly curious because I see so much talk about WD being the end all be all of everything.

WD is still king but DRG has special circumstances with respect to gearing. The Sub stats are suboptimal on the 275 (Cap SKS) and the Shire pants are shit (we are forced to use it cuz acc). In this special scenario, by getting the relic to be cap crit and enough acc to cover the loss of the Shire pants, you can equip the extremely potent Alex pants thus the net result is a statweight gain over the BiS with the 275. So its not really because the 270 relic is more powerful per-se than the 275 but what it allows you to do.

[SunnyHirose]

Correct. I don't think of it as something SE intended, what stats would be best for us, or what you should be doing in general. This is a "corner case" of design decisions made years ago with very few amendments, is only achievable with end-of-expansion gear, it becomes mere trivia once they release the final anima step, then becomes even more irrelevant in a few months when Stormblood drops.

So if the current 270 relic with acc/crit is only 3 dps higher than the alex spear, how big will the dps gain be once it reaches 275?

Ballpark 35 DPS (-> ~2669), a 1.3% gain over 270 relic BiS. I left crit alone for that estimate; that should bump it a little more.

It should be interesting to see what, if anything, SE does about this scaling. Obviously they don't want to explode the numbers in a fit of exponential madness, but a difference like that is hardly noticeable.

[Krindor]

Some people believe sks reduces gcd in tiers (599 = 2.40, 625 = 2.39), while others believe that every point of sks counts, just the UI won't show the decimals past the hundredths. If the former is true then yes any sks past 625 is wasted until you reach the 2.38 tier (which is 651 iirc).

There's no belief in this theory it's been tested and proven by both me and Dervy that it's tiered.

[Claymore022]

So do drgs think about Trick Attack at all? I'm still getting the rotation down so i don't really pay attention to how my CDs align with how it's used through out a fight. But i know on monk i'd think about it a lot. Do any drgs plan some of their CDs around it/ ever hold anything for it?