[Mechanics] Zurvan Extreme and Soar

[AlphaFox]

That is one thing I find funny is going in with 5/6 dps and still get the same result pre fall as 4 dps. It really isn't a hard mechanic at all and we get by with no problem when it is my team but these groups demanding perfection are just cursed before they even begin.

[EorzeaHero69]

Soar only has 2 variations. It's one of the easiest divebombs in the game.

If you have two tanks, they can stack together to make more room for one side for soar. 7 tanks and one healer (though I think 6 tanks and 2 healers may be a lot easier) can make even more room if two tanks pair up for soaking two puddles per partner.

[randysquirrel]

all I hear is people that cant skip complaining it should be made unskippable

p1 is just a dummy fight, do your opener correctly and you skip.

I wonder if this is also SE's stealth way of trying to push healers to dps, cos there's barely any healing at all to be done in p1

[Fevelle]

I didn't clear yet (first because it's hard to find a party for 2 healers, second because I'm 300% less hyped to defeat Zurvan than I was to defeat Sophia), but Southern Cross seems to be much more problematic in my experience. On the first Southern Cross after the tethers appears, someone always is bad positioned and get themselves killed. I've got parties where the DPS was so low that we did two Soars and two Demon Claws before the ice appears under the boss, and we did just fine with no deaths or people standing in the path of the dives.

[loreleidiangelo]

I wonder if this is also SE's stealth way of trying to push healers to dps, cos there's barely any healing at all to be done in p1

I think it's more about how the fight overall is designed...it's pretty easy to be solo-healed overall. I guess they were going for a mechanics-based fight over a healing-intensive one or something, but it just doesn't look nearly as engaging as when I did Nidhogg at appropriate ilevel for the fight. (Back when it was released.)

[Fevelle]

I think it's more about how the fight overall is designed...it's pretty easy to be solo-healed overall. I guess they were going for a mechanics-based fight over a healing-intensive one or something, but it just doesn't look nearly as engaging as when I did Nidhogg at appropriate ilevel for the fight. (Back when it was released.)

Every fight is easy to solo-heal if peeps only take unavoidable damage.

[Vanitas]

Regardless of whether it's difficult or not, I just think it's pretty sad that groups of 5 or even at times 6 DPS can't skip it with little to no mechanics getting in the way of their "openers".
You dodge flare star twice. That's it. Free DPS to skip a mechanic and people can't do it. That's why the pf is so salty right now.

[randysquirrel]

sad indeed. it took me 92 clears but I finally got my bird. it literally is no more complicated than some people are unable to do their opener properly.

I had one party where I had a quick look at peoples gear before pull - a mix of soph weapons and i250 gear. Won't lie, I already thought we prob won't skip soar here... skipped it no problem. Testament that gear that skill>> gear, as long as people know what they're doing, it's fine.

[loreleidiangelo]

Every fight is easy to solo-heal if peeps only take unavoidable damage.

As I said, I found Nidhogg to be somewhat challenging to heal as a minimum ilevel healer. Titan extreme and Ifrit Extreme were also a bit trying.

Note that I'm not speaking relative to "overall" difficulty, I mean more in comparing all the primals in a vacuum to one another. In that regard, Zurvan is much notably easier to solo heal, kind of like how Titan has always been hilariously easy to solo tank.