The New Chat Restriction in The Feast

[Bourne_Endeavor]

Greetings, adventurers.

Thank you for all of the feedback you have provided in regards to the chat restrictions in The Feast. Please rest assured that we have been sharing your thoughts with the development team and will continue to do so.

At this time, the team is planning on making improvements to the quick chat feature to improve communication. If you have any suggestions for improvements to this feature, including additions of phrases such as "Please recover MP," be sure to let us know!

As someone who only dove into PvP more recently due to the Garo, I would like to compare my experiences with Frontlines and Feast. Although not only perfect, Frontlines allowed me to easily pick up ways to strategize by learning from other players-- ones I didn't even directly communicate with. They simply posted self made marcos or took the time to advise the entire alliance on what routes to take, what ice to target; information a newer PvPer wouldn't be privy too. I still have plenty left to grasp to better perform, but I am at least able to reciprocate what I've learned and help other people in the same way. I even took up trying to advise a group, which wouldn't be possible with chat restrictions. That segues rather nicely into The Feast. I am basically helpless. No one can communicate with me nor can we strategize targeting a single "priority threat." How can I learn from silence? Yes, I'll inevitably come across jerks. But let the community report these people and they be removed.

Basically, my overall experiences with Frontlines has made me a better PvPer, whereas the Feast I'm left alone trying to figure things out in a mode I have little experience with.

[Ama_Hamada]

Lol, sorry bad timing for that joke. But if pvpersdo not want the chat remove, then why didn't they speak out when their fellow pvpers brutally criticized new players? I have been in matches with these toxic players and yet here they are wanting a reverse in the chat removal when it was removed due to their own toxicity. How ironic?

like PvE, usually the toxicity starts with the person receiving the advice. Like this example that really happened:
> "People are dying because you need to esuna sludge, it looks like a red icon with yellow arrows"
> "I do not need to be told what to do , i know how to play and I do not have esuna!" (my friend is a whm main and a bit unfamiliar with the other class spell name equivalents)

Also another reason PvP may be more toxic to some IS SE'S FAULT! and that has to do with lack of transparency in game and in game tools to teach people how things work. when you get a common attitude such as ^ that + the different rules no PvE person knows, like PvP raise not giving weakness, do not take PvE raise, and protect does nothing, you are going to get a lot of heated discussions. PvE is VERY toxic the second a PvE player is taken out of their norm, and they think they know everything just because they did x in PvE.

Exactly this ^

If you read my reply to the post, you would know what was going on:

According to SE data they have collected from over 2 millions pvpers from a secret survey they released before the discussion to remove the chat, SE tally more positive recommendations to remove the chat then pvpers complaining it wasn't a good idea. This btw is coming to you from alternative facts.

Can we leave out the trump memes and political agenda please? at first I thought you were serious, I hate this year so much already .. 4 more years... UGH

that bold gave it away that it was a joke

[bounddreamer]

As a newly enthusiastic pvp player my experiences have been very different in Frontlines vs Feast. I was able to learn a lot from other players in Frontlines but overall it was very uncoordinated and we had many losses.

In Feast people are much more objective focused and matches are much faster. I don't think there's enough time to type out any kind of useful communication when I'm under attack by multiple dps and tanks. But there are times when it would be helpful to be able to coordinate better with my team.

[yumeyume]

Please put back the chat because it is so hard for not communication during the feast. We couldn't tell the new players what to do and explain the fight. We couldn't tell them not to take the medal cause it will increase the damage. We can't say anything.

[Zensho]

Greetings, adventurers.

Thank you for all of the feedback you have provided in regards to the chat restrictions in The Feast. Please rest assured that we have been sharing your thoughts with the development team and will continue to do so.

At this time, the team is planning on making improvements to the quick chat feature to improve communication. If you have any suggestions for improvements to this feature, including additions of phrases such as "Please recover MP," be sure to let us know!

If you put too many quick chat feature macros, it will be too overwhelming to sift through and manage them for the correct action you are trying to convey to teammates during the heat of battle. Just give us back regular chat so we can execute communication instantly again. This medium of chat that is too clunky, slow, and bloated. It has no effectiveness being in a competitive ranked mode of pvp game play. - Thanks

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I felt strongly about it, I spoke up

NOW you understand why this and all the other threads against the chat restriction exist, I hope.

We don't like this change. We didn't ask for it, and were completely surprised with it. When we spoke out, we were seemingly ignored and the change was pushed anyways. We foretold potential issues and problems it would cause, and they are happening now as we speak. And when we spoke up AGAIN for answers, once we finally got one, it barely addressed our concerns and seemed only aimed at trying to reinforce the change we don't like and didn't want besides. We speak up because we feel strongly about it, and speaking only for myself, I won't stop til I know I've been heard properly.

That said, going back from now to the Rep response, I've counted 24 very clear "remove quick chat/restore chat" responses. And that's just in the 8 pages that followed that response. This does not include repeat posts by anyone, nor does it include others that simply outlined the problems they've encountered with this change. And let me reiterate: this is just 24 responses in 8 pages. . . out of 49.

There's your feedback, SE. Let's drop the pretenses and follow through properly here:
- The majority of people that do not support the change are regular PvPers
- The majority of people that support the change are NOT regular PvPers
- There are pages and pages of people asking, requesting, explaining, and nearly demanding the removal of this terrible system.
- Where other matters were answered far more quickly, this was addressed, poorly, 3 months and 41 pages later. This is unacceptable.
- We do not wish to help improve this quick chat system. We wish to have it removed. Let me be clear in saying it again, and let there be no mistake in ANY future responses: We do not wish to help improve this quick chat system. We wish to have it REMOVED.

It is time to move on this, and not stall with patronizing attempts to gather feedback. You have 49 pages in one single thread in the PvP section. And there are multiple threads all calling for the same thing. And it's been 3 MONTHS. As small as this PvP community apparently is, there can be little valid reason to go seeking even more feedback after all this.

[Februs]

I don't think there's enough time to type out any kind of useful communication when I'm under attack by multiple dps and tanks. But there are times when it would be helpful to be able to coordinate better with my team.

In most of the matches I've played with new people in Feast, all of the important stuff was talked about during the prep-time before the gates open. This was especially the case for new people who admitted they were new and wanted advice. There was the occasional snide remark, like "gg, we lost," but most people were very understanding so long as the new person fessed up to being new at the start and wanted to learn.

As for typing in the heat of battle, you'd be surprised what people can spit out in a rush, especially if there's a lull in the combat. Most messages are quite short, but entire new strategies would often come out during downtime between spawns. It was especially important when the teams were evenly matched. Good communication was essential to victory.

[Vejjiegirl]

In Feast people are much more objective focused and matches are much faster. I don't think there's enough time to type out any kind of useful communication when I'm under attack by multiple dps and tanks. But there are times when it would be helpful to be able to coordinate better with my team.

It was always done in the prep time before the match started, that was the best time for your team to talk with each other and come up with a good strategy. Also new players would often ask for advise or help during this time. Of course in the limited amount of time at the start you do not always have enough time however over many games you get more information and learn.

[loreleidiangelo]

As a newly enthusiastic pvp player my experiences have been very different in Frontlines vs Feast. I was able to learn a lot from other players in Frontlines but overall it was very uncoordinated and we had many losses.

In Feast people are much more objective focused and matches are much faster. I don't think there's enough time to type out any kind of useful communication when I'm under attack by multiple dps and tanks. But there are times when it would be helpful to be able to coordinate better with my team.

I'm pretty sure I can smash a macro that says "Attunement up, pls halp", "ah need MPz", "casters drop LBs on bridge", or any number of other fully customizable things that I choose in less time than it would take for me to fumble around with the quick-chat option, which is barebones and non-descript to boot.

Oh well, I have my 30 wins and I'm out. Nice PVPing with the skilled players out there who used their PVP moves, knew not to hit the PLD that I bound to get him off me, and fell back when I was low on MP. The rest of you, I sure wish I could have told you a little bit pre-match on how you could improve, especially since I saw several poor players repeatedly in the history of my matches.

[Moonlite]

I'm pretty sure I can smash a macro

and maybe not you but half the people with chat macros feel the need to add sound to them. Because if you don't listen to me I will create ear cancer.