Isn't it a bit disheartening whats on the Horizon to all Hw content?

[Welsper59]

People are always going to pick the easiest option... the point is for the easiest option to not be so easy that it's not even fun anymore (like hunts)... Melting the boss in 30 seconds is not fun for a lot of people.... that's why people are concerned. Not sure why that's so hard to understand.

As RaijinSupreme said...

Its not hard to understand. We understood it from the beginning.

That point you folks made was pretty clear to most of us. There's a number of things that aren't easy to understand though, given how illogical they are. We have a tool usable by anyone to give themselves the intended level of challenge through ilvl sync, if they so choose to. You folks are pretending it doesn't exist. You're also looking to dictate how people choose to play. You folks are even claiming unsync is literally impossible for people to have fun with. That implication alone is astonishing to have in an MMORPG. You're complaining about players utilizing the gear they earn in ways they may enjoy. In some cases, you're indirectly complaining about players wanting to increase the difficulty/challenge for themselves (such as a lv50 SCH soloing Snowcloak). You're complaining there's no fun to be had because there's no challenge in unsync, even when anyone points out there is challenge to be had. The stupidity on the matter is beyond comprehension.

Your folks' argument isn't difficult to understand. It's you, the person, and your perspectives on the matter, that are extremely difficult to understand. Refusal to acknowledge and accept counterarguments that nullify your views... that's very bottom of the barrel trains of thought. There's obviously no agreement to be had on the matter unless we overlook logic itself, which is not surprising in today's world. You know, for people who seem to want to believe they're thinking about the well being of others (a very small handful of new players), you sure failed miserably by not considering literally everyone else.

[bswpayton]

As RaijinSupreme said...

That point you folks made was pretty clear to most of us. There's a number of things that aren't easy to understand though, given how illogical they are. We have a tool usable .

As I stated you have replied to things ive said a few times but have said nothiing about what I actually want or Im asking SE for. I am asking for just like we have a normal mood trial roulette, once storm blood comes out to put all the arr and hw primals in a roulette but it be the extreme versions. And no it is not fun, unsync is just a means to an end that has been passed down from vet players to new players, the whole bases of your argument is that you as a vet player wouldnt want to do these primals because they are old.

And I have stated many times when I go into duty finder its vet players that leave because they dont want to deal with new players in these primals, I have never and I que for one at least once a week seen a new player leave an extreme trail its always the older players that leave or the mentors. I dont even think Ive seen a new player leave a dungeon that have the nn leaf on their head it is always the vet players are mentors that leave. So dont claim this is a minority , like I said it isnt even until said new players are introduced to the concept of unsync that players determine that this is the norm. Players that dont no about it just que up just like its any other instance in the game, Ive been in several parties where new players didnt even knwo about unsync.

A lot of players play this game for the story, or just to try a different mmo I dont believe that everyone comes here with the intentions of skipping over everything in the game. So I know older players are jaded from this content I know some have ran it into the group but alot havent and I think that a roulette with some of the best rewards in the game would work alot better than wt. I did all the coil unsync myself and the only thing I got out of that was to see the cut scenes it was 0 fun it was lame we killed everything in like 2 mins and I wasnt even level 60 atm. All Im asking for is the option outside of pf, to get others involved and I dont see how that is a big deal to you because Im not even agaisnt unsync content but Im not gona call it fun outside of soloing something yourself but if you even have two other peoople its pretty boring.


And to your comment to Vivi_Bushido , you just said things were alot more complex in hw well guess what the players coming to storm blood will miss out on that as well and thats exactly what Im sayin is gona be a problem.

[dragonseth07]

As I stated you have replied to things ive said a few times but have said nothiing about what I actually want or Im asking SE for. I am asking for just like we have a normal mood trial roulette, once storm blood comes out to put all the arr and hw primals in a roulette but it be the extreme versions.

As I said before, they are in the Mentor Roulette.

[Welsper59]

As I stated you have replied to things ive said a few times but have said nothiing about what I actually want or Im asking SE for. I am asking for just like we have a normal mood trial roulette, once storm blood comes out to put all the arr and hw primals in a roulette but it be the extreme versions. And no it is not fun, unsync is just a means to an end that has been passed down from vet players to new players, the whole bases of your argument is that you as a vet player wouldnt want to do these primals because they are old.

And I have stated many times when I go into duty finder its vet players that leave because they dont want to deal with new players in these primals, I have never and I que for one at least once a week seen a new player leave an extreme trail its always the older players that leave or the mentors. I dont even think Ive seen a new player leave a dungeon that have the nn leaf on their head it is always the vet players are mentors that leave. So dont claim this is a minority , like I said it isnt even until said new players are introduced to the concept of unsync that players determine that this is the norm. Players that dont no about it just que up just like its any other instance in the game, Ive been in several parties where new players didnt even knwo about unsync.

A lot of players play this game for the story, or just to try a different mmo I dont believe that everyone comes here with the intentions of skipping over everything in the game. So I know older players are jaded from this content I know some have ran it into the group but alot havent and I think that a roulette with some of the best rewards in the game would work alot better than wt. I did all the coil unsync myself and the only thing I got out of that was to see the cut scenes it was 0 fun it was lame we killed everything in like 2 mins and I wasnt even level 60 atm. All Im asking for is the option outside of pf, to get others involved and I dont see how that is a big deal to you because Im not even agaisnt unsync content but Im not gona call it fun outside of soloing something yourself but if you even have two other peoople its pretty boring.


And to your comment to Vivi_Bushido , you just said things were alot more complex in hw well guess what the players coming to storm blood will miss out on that as well and thats exactly what Im sayin is gona be a problem.

I think you're interpreting my words wrong when you read them. For example, the minority comments I make are referring to the new players that care (a lot) about doing content in the intended way and do not want to simply get a clear. I am not referring to the minority being vet players, vets that leave the party, or my indirect referral to new players that just want a clear. They are clearly the majority. If you don't agree with me on that one, then I don't think anything logical will sway you to see it correctly. I'm going go glass half-full here and assume you do agree with something so obvious.

I totally agree with you about many players wanting to play for story, try a new MMO, etc. I also agree that there are players that leave groups and could not be bothered in the slightest to help a new player out or cut them a break. I also agree that being carried and powered through content, if the goal of said player is to experience content as is (again, not to simply clear it), is boring.

Here's where your argument breaks though, and where I cannot bring myself to logically agree with you on your key points and reasoning. You said that you did Coil and powered through it, thus it was not fun. Why did you do it in that way? You only have yourself to blame for not enjoying how it unfolded, when you're clearly trying to imply you wanted to experience it as intended but apparently did it unsync'd with people who did not know what you wanted... or cared. How is your failure justification to look down upon something that is clearly popular, appreciated, and utilized as intended by everyone else? Why didn't you try to get a group together to do it the way you wanted (sync and any other handicaps)?

I get that you're asking for a better means to do something as intended, but to be honest, that's a waste of time for the devs and only serves to further frustrate players in the way you're implying, both new and old. PF (especially with x-server functionality) is probably the most enjoyable way to do things at such a handicap. If you're truly asking for another DF that is outside of things like Mentor roulette (which it probably would have to be), you're just asking for another mode for said new players to encounter the same d-bags that leave group all the time. How does what you want provide a different experience that eludes the problems you refer to now? PF is literally the best way to create a frustration free experience. You're asking for a tool to get the job done for you (them, whatever). A very unpopular job, at that. You're trying to defend laziness and stifle initiative against what is a popularly accepted means of doing things. I get the enjoyment out of challenge and doing things as intended. I truly do, as I do it myself. But you're treating the situation as though it is hopeless because you have no tools available to you. The fact is.. you do. You're holding their hands through something you don't need to.

Generally, I try to remark upon points people make. If there are key ones you think I missed, then feel free to ask. I'd wager you won't like my response though. I am, however, not above agreeing with logical responses on things. That's usually what my problem is with an argument or point that someone has. The detachment from logic and/or facts, depending on what the point is, is where I will point out problems. Unfortunately, people don't see that as the response they wanted or misinterpret it as a misunderstanding.