Isn't it a bit disheartening whats on the Horizon to all Hw content?

[bswpayton]

And as I've pointed out that you've clearly ignored, running old content is not necessary for new people to know how to run new content. There are tons of people clearing the HW

I take it you havent read all the post bashing the player base , or how its two post talkin about how horrible players are at doing mechanics , I wonder why that is? Are players telling others that they shouldn't try and learn this new primal as their first primal well my question is according to the community why not the player base and many in this thread have said only do whats relevant. So if a player skipped all the other hw primals and arr ones then if they try the new one for the first time then they are in the exact place that they need to be which is current content. So there should be no complaints about why people are bad, its because the community says only do whats new and up to date dont learn those old fights they are old we are on this new stuff now come join, but we expect you to be up to par and no everything as if you were experienced like us.

I personally have stayed back and coasted through the content, and I was determined to get my arr primals cleared sync got 4 out of 7 so far, so I have not done any of the hw primals yet, I stayed back to try and learn any content thats in the game. But I know that just from these experience matters, it matters in every other aspect of life that in general terms experience makes you better at something more often than not. So the problem that happens is once you get to hw you dont have a leaf anymore nobody knows your new or anything especially if you have more than one job leveled up, so I see it in post from other players all the time "you would think by this point people would know how to do these fights". And my question is where and how if the community tells them to skip all the other ones but the latest ones, it just cant go both ways. Dont tell people do whats relevant and then complain if they dont know how to do it because they skipped everything else to try and get to whats relevant.

And as far the mount thing well I've been seeing people with the new pvp mounts and I want one, but I don't expect to go do a duel with a friend and get it either. And doing a primal unsync is the equivalent of doing a duel no effort other than time spent, which you dont get rewards for just playing the game. So no if someone doesn't get one sync clear, then they do not deserve a mount just like I wouldnt deserve the new pvp mounts from doing the bear minimum in a duel its essentially the same thing

[ReplicaX]

And as far the mount thing well I've been seeing people with the new pvp mounts and I want one, but I don't expect to go do a duel with a friend and get it either. And doing a primal unsync is the equivalent of doing a duel no effort other than time spent, which you dont get rewards for just playing the game. So no if someone doesn't get one sync clear, then they do not deserve a mount just like I wouldnt deserve the new pvp mounts from doing the bear minimum in a duel its essentially the same thing

You are not going to get them via PVP dueling. You specifically need to do the Feast and Frontlines for the mounts. You also need the wolf marks for the gear itself to have credited wins towards the achievements to obtain the mounts.

If you are using this as some example, it is a poor one.

[bswpayton]

You are not going to get them via PVP dueling. You specifically need to do the Feast and Frontlines for the mounts. You also need the wolf marks for the gear itself to have credited wins towards the achievements to obtain the mounts.

Im aware of this I was just stating how if you put in no work then you deserve no reward, that simply just wanting something isnt good enough. We were discussing mounts, and how imo if you cant even get one sync primal clear just one that if you run content unsync only then you have no business having any mount from these fights. Otherwise we might as well start giving out ponies in birds from doing Sastasha normal or bray flax. If thats all it takes to get rewards is time spent then just give me all the mounts and let everybody else have them because also earning something just doesnt seem to be a thing here.

How is it a poor example its essentially the samething a duel takes about as much effort as an unsync run of a primal, so I wouldnt expect a reward If I never did frontlines as it was intended not even once, so why expect it in other content.

[dragonseth07]

So there should be no complaints about why people are bad, its because the community says only do whats new and up to date dont learn those old fights they are old we are on this new stuff now come join, but we expect you to be up to par and no everything as if you were experienced like us.

You are caught up on this idea that doing older trials makes you better at newer ones. Running Ifrit didn't make me better at Titan. Running Titan made me better at Titan.

[Moomba33]

I remember way back during the ARR Nexus light farm I noticed that groups were consistently killing Garuda HM while Chirada and Suprana were up. I said to my FC "Wow this is sad. New players will never see the Satin Plume phase at all. I wish the item level sync was tighter."
The overall response I got was that the overgearing was a good thing as players want to feel a sense of progression. What would be the point of getting new equipment if the characters never felt any stronger and every run of Garuda HM took as long as it did at launch?
We can see this now with A1 Savage. I queued for it in the Duty Finder a couple of days ago having never done any Savage before and we burned everything before mechanics happened.

The only way to experience fights "as intended" is to find a group of like minded individuals to play with you at the intended ilevel (or the minimum ilevel option added by SE for extra challenge). Forcing people to get their initial clears synced before they can unsync will just make it harder for them to get clears at all and not make veterans more interested in helping them.
Super rewards for min ilevel clears will just encourage farming with statics and not helping new players.

[WeekendSoja]

Made another "I like holding myself back level sync rant" thread again eh? I almost feel like you make one of these once every two weeks...same responses as the other threads you've made pertaining to this topic.

As I've said in your other threads, people use PF to gather members for their parties, the party follows the pt leads rules, if it's sync'd than that's what it is, if it's unsync'd than that's what it is. The only thing that this choice has made a crock of s&*t is that there are those who put false descriptions and drag you into something not listed in PF. Report them for harassment I would assume but that's another thread.

People aren't bad because they didn't participate in old primals, new primals carry their own rendition of very familiar mechanics that is practiced over and over in many instances and some new ones...people are just bad cause they don't care, this is as truthful as it gets.

[bswpayton]

Made another "I like holding myself back level sync rant" thread again eh? I almost feel like you make one of these once every two weeks...same responses as the other threads you've made pertaining to this topic.

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Ha post always get turned into something totally different than what the original post was, I simply said ok we have a new expansion coming up storm blood. I was really not referring to anything arr related for the most part and I was saying ok look at the waste land that is Arr old content is now aside from the leveling dungeons. Question to SE can you make a roulette for hw and Arr extreme primals so that those whom A are new to the game, come june 20th, or those who use a jump potion but would still like to see some of the older fights. When I post things I dont really post only with my interest in mind , one of my very first post was that the end of the level 50 msq should be redesigned into something you could do solo so you didnt have to miss cutscenes. I posted this just like other things I post because, Im not thinking about myself Im thinking well hey Im new to the game or was newer, I didnt know when I started people would tell me pretty much screw that old stuff come do this new stuff. Coming from the games I played before this there was plenty of opportunity to do everything that was in the game prior to me joining.

The fact is , is that this game brings out content so fast compared to many other games so its created a mentality by the player base that pretty much says you need to stay kept up on the story instead of playing the game in the time frame you decide. So yes Im not concerned about my own progression here alone, even tho its annoying Ill que up and keep my fingers crossed to get in something I havent done yet. Im just simply asking for a welcoming environment for those whom arent hear now which its literally new players everyday, I was saying that wt isnt the way to do it unsync alone isnt the only way. We have roulettes for everything so why not make one once storm blood comes out combining all the primals and or raids. But instead like always this thread became something of an anti unsync vs or something.

[bswpayton]

You are caught up on this idea that doing older trials makes you better at newer ones. Running Ifrit didn't make me better at Titan. Running Titan made me better at Titan.

"Earlier, I said Zurvan is really nothing new in terms of mechanics. But, from a different PoV, it does familiarize people who aren't seasoned raiders with common raid mechanics. Bait and move mechanics are all over savage. Prey marker isolation mechanics are all over savage. Out-in mechanics with no indicators are all over savage. Dragon Rage damage sharing is all over savage. Assigned position spreading is pretty much A11S's bread and butter. If you aren't familiar with T11, Zurvan's tether system will at least familiarize new raiders with a partner system they will see again in A12S. Zurvan is actually similar to Thordan in how it's a fairly succinct summary of common raid mechanics." someones quote

This is what I read stuff like this I always see reference to other fights in a new fight, because alot of them have similar mechanics. And people always make reference to these mechanics but then tell you to skip the very content that its in. Where Im at in the story now almost done with hw Ive seen many rehashed mechanics, did the vault dungeon last night for the first time the last boss did something very similar to ifrits nails as well as the boss from temple of qarn hardmood, in the avery the second boss did something from cutters crys last boss. If someone skipped cutters cry the likely hood of them being able to catch on as fast as someone who has already seen this type of content is going to be different.

Ravana does the ifrit rush pretty similar , if someone has never done that it will be confusing to them at first. People expect others to be adequate do they not other wise people wouldnt leave duties so the likely hood of someone that's done older content and seeing a mechanic again in newer content being better at it than someone who has never done it is pretty high. So someone who comes to stormblood having never done a single extreme primal will have a higher learning curve than those who have done everything before it. This is common sense and to argue against it really makes no sense at all to me yea you can learn it fresh but yea your party members will expect you to already no it even tho you may have skipped it this is what Im saying. You can not expect someone to get something that they have never experienced before over someone else who has experienced it many times over. When you are in storm blood unless they change something nobody is gona no your new no ones gona no you havent see any of these mechanics before they are gona expect you to preform. And you have already said the reason you wouldnt do any old content is because you know if someone hasnt done the fight before that they will suck at it, so why wouldnt others have the same view point.

[Vaer]

The story/normal modes have similar mechanics from the EX fights but toned down. If you do the normal mode (which you have to anyway, it is required to do the EX) you should already know some of the stuff in EX unless you were 100% not paying attention which then is not the game's fault. In EX they sometimes reuse the same moves but they remove the telegraphs so you have to react to the move name and know where it hits, and add a bunch more mechanics or shuffle their order which you would then learn while doing the EX fight.

[bswpayton]

The story/normal modes have similar mechanics from the EX fights but toned down. If you do the normal mode (which you have to anyway, it is

But we both know why there is a story mood or trail roulette and not an extreme roulette, people arent quiting story mood primals. Id say in most cases the extreme version is 100 times more tuned than their normal versions, I dont think Ive seen a single person quit a story mood trial and people arent complaining about doing these over and over again and will gladly take the rewards from the trial roulette.

The difficultly isnt even comparable otherwise people wouldnt be complaining about my very post. So yea you may see it but the fights are two worlds apart from each other in degree of difficultly for the most part.