Isn't it a bit disheartening whats on the Horizon to all Hw content?

[Zhao]

I don't see an issue. Things get easier as time passes, the same way that happens with every other game. It just seems like the normal cycle.

This fact wouldn't change even if FFXIV was just a solo RPG too. Ever go back to the first area/mission after clearing the game just to one shot stuff? Same idea.
Of course I see what you're saying about how some stuff is fun sync'd/actual ilv. Depending on the content, I'd be happy to join as well.

[RaijinSupreme]

But the first option is always unsync tho, and it will be the norm for all things not storm blood and I believe it really effects players overall play if this is all that they end up doing until they finally get to whatever extreme awaits us in stormblood.

because not everyone wants to struggle through old content, especially when we have new content to struggle through.

But for those that do, the option is always there. Again, you won't find it PF, but im sure you could find someone who wants to do it.

[SilverObi]

The option to do a Trial synced is there though right? Some newbies will want to do it at the intended iLvl and can make PFs or ask their FCs. Sure it won't be the popular option but there's always like-minded folks out there who would give it a go. If friends asked me to do any EX at proper iLvl, I'd say sure why not. More options is always the goal and I feel we're in a good spot right now for old content though I kinda wish they'd stop making new game systems rely so heavily on older stuff.

[RaijinSupreme]

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The reason why the option exists is because its what the people that play the game wants. No one was complaining when the option to run content unsynced was introduced. In fact, one of the main complaints about the game was the fact that we get ilevel synced AND lose abilities when we run low level dungeons.

This isn't the reason why subs are low. No one complains that old content is too easy. All you see in PF is "farm, fast clears, stay a while, get your birbs, no bonus". people want it to be easier. and like everyone in here said, for those that want to run it synced can still run it synced. Don't be upset that most people don't feel that way.

[bswpayton]

The reason why the option exists is because its what the people that play the game wants. No one was complaining when the option to run content unsynced was introduced. In fact, one of the main complaints about the game was the fact that we get ilevel synced AND lose abilities when we run low level dungeons.
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Just seems like such a double edge sword, on other threads in regards to the new primal oh dont pick this primal to start tryin to learn hard fights. But the community then expects people to progress at the same time to the newer content and to be good at it.

This doenst make much sense to me you have to learn somewhere so you will have more people stinking up the latest primal because they have no idea what a real primal fight is like or raid. This is what we will see more of in the future on one hand youll have players thats done every instance trail or raid sense the game beginning , and other people tryin to join them that have no experience with this type of stuff and will be expected to preform. I cant wait to see the post on this , its not so bad with arr stuff, but ur talkin about two expansions of worthless content , the player divide will be worse than every on skill.

[RaijinSupreme]

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But this is absolutely nothing new to any MMO. While yes, a person that has played through all the old primals might find it easier to do any new content they come across, it is not necessary nor it is a requirement.

I don't have to know the ins and outs of Ifrit, Shiva, Titan, Garuda, Odin or whoever else in order for me to do Ravana, or Nidhogg, or Sephirot. The things I need to learn in order to successfully complete those fights are found within those fights.

I still have yet to even walk a step into the Final Coil of Bahamut, I wasn't playing the game when it was newly out, (and you tell me if its easy for you to find a PF that wants to run FCOB synced lol.) But it did not handicap me from being able to do Alexander. I learned how to play the content that I'm playing by playing the actual content. If I didn't know what an AoE was, a stack, a doom type mechanic, a dps check, a tower, a tether, etc BEFORE I ran whatever the new primal was, I certainly learned when I wiped lol. That's how we have always learned these fights, and that's how we will continue to learn these fights, new players and old.

And if you are the kind of person that don't want to run content with people who never did any of the old content because you don't want your experience to be "stinked up", then don't do it in PF. Fact is, even if they didn't add an unsynced feature in the game, as long its not made a mandatory pre-req in order to run any new content (which it will never be), you will ALWAYS run into people that never played it. Always. That's unavoidable. its old, and no one wants to do it, especially if they don't have to.

[bswpayton]

But this is absolutely nothing new to any MMO. While yes, a person that has played through all the old primals might find it easier to do any new content they come across, it is not necessary nor it is a requirement.

But the content builds off itself tho, they tune the difficultly to satisfy the players that are currently playing so its not like, for instance the new storm blood primals are gona be like garuda extreme. Each one gets amped up, I dono about raids because I only did a bit of coil and your right , cant find anyone to sync it. So what will happen is if the game is to divide is so wide and people start gettin on the forums complaining then they will nerf the content and it will effect everyone.

[Atlaworks]

So, I read through this argument from both sides, and this seems like the standard response here applies: If you don't like it, don't do it. Leave other players out of it.

I don't see the problem with unsynced parties. God am I glad I can run Odin unsynced or all the pugs in the world would never let me finish getting dark divinity gear! But see, it's an option, not mandatory. Heck, SE was even nice enough to put in the option to manually sync ilevel and stats down to the acceptable amount for when that old content was released, for people who want a truly authentic experience. There's not just "Overpowered or bust", there's literally options for players on both sides of the spectrum and in the middle, and all it takes is to find like-minded players to run that stuff with.

Don't drag other people down. What you consider acceptable doesn't need to apply to everyone else.

[bswpayton]

So, I read through this argument from both sides, and this seems like the standard response here applies: If you don't like it, don't do it. Leave other players out of it.
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I love how whenever I post stuff on the forums by the end of it , what I was originally saying totally goes out of context. I said in the very first post to give constant better rewards to make a roulette for old primals and raids. I never was anti unsync I was just simply saying to not make it to where new players wouldnt be forced into a party finder situation

[RaijinSupreme]

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But that's not entirely true, and that's the fallacy in your statement. Yes, the new content IS harder when it comes out. It becomes more intricate, filled with newer and different mechanics all the time. but it doesn't mean that its unbeatable by someone who never played the old content.

For instance. what's the difference between someone who beat Zurvan, as well as Ramuh, and a person who beat Zurvan, and never even did Ramuh?

What's the difference between someone who beat Wiping City, as well as Syrcus Tower, and the person who beat Wiping City once a week every single week, and doesn't even know what Syrcus tower is? The difference is so very small, because the difference doesn't even matter. They both still cleared the hardest content.

Old content should not always be seen as a training grounds for new content. That was not its intention when they were released. They were made to be the hardest content in the game when it WAS the hardest content in the game. But now its not, and a person should not have to do it just so they can be viable in new content. A player DOESN'T have to do it in order to be viable.

So this divide that you're speaking of is minute at best because of the simple fact that people who never touched the old content as it was originally released are STILL able to clear the hardest content in the game today. It happens everyday, and its going to continue happening. Again, more seasoned players will have an easier time. That is true. But it doesn't make new players insufferable or incapable.