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    It's the case since unsync is possible for all pre 3.0 content.
    Why do you complain now?
    btw I don't care much about how other people do their dungeons/primal/whatever, if people with the same mind want to do it sync it's always possible.
    I do it myself (often with my group) just for fun.
    But don't expect everyone doing old content sync for no reason when they have to do the recent content too.
    Don't forget we are in a MMO. We have LS, FC to do stuff with same minded people (yet most of the time people just wildly invite in fc but heh ... not my problem if they just want people to have people)
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    Clean everything before any nerf is my goal. No matter the time needed to reach the last hp and beat it.
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    Febreealle Goldlyonse
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    SE could always add more reasons to do min ilvl content. Right now, I believe there's only 2 reasons for min ilvl runs
    1) the challenge
    2) increased Orchestrion drops

    Some good ways to promote this feature on more content would be:
    - higher Triad Card drop rate
    - housing item drops (White Raven Armor Fragment, Burning Auricle etc)
    - bonus tomes based on the content
    - achievements not for specific contents, but for doing X number of 'high level contents' (whatever gives credit for tank mounts)
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    The only options shouldn't be to be extremely over leveled, at the bare minimum, or literal gods.

    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    This will be the first time I actually agree with you on something. Unsyncing is pretty awful, especially when it's almost seen as the default way to do things-- whether you're new to the instance or not. And it's only going to get worse. Nobody needed to unsync ARR instances, as they were already set to i140, which is even higher than the absolute best in slot gear available at the time!!

    Unsynced needs to die or they need to stop incentivizing it and start rewarding people who actually learn and play the game, not the people who slam in their Game Genie at the first sign of trouble (or worse, before even trying at all). Wondrous Tails shouldn't have even allowed unsyncing duties (nor should it have allowed "retry" or have had nearly as many "free space" options).
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    Last edited by GMERC; 01-24-2017 at 04:47 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I didnt say turn off unsync , I just wish it was a way to have both , I love the videos of people soloing primals I think thats awesome Id like to try myself sometime. But what Im saying is for anyone who starts playing the game and wants to do the content we are enjoying now they will just be out of luck.
    But we already have both, you just have to find like minded people to join you in your synced run, join or create a linkshell for synced or min ilvl content, or even post a PF for it, if others agree with your sentiment they will join.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    I didnt say turn off unsync , I just wish it was a way to have both , I love the videos of people soloing primals I think thats awesome Id like to try myself sometime. But what Im saying is for anyone who starts playing the game and wants to do the content we are enjoying now they will just be out of luck.
    You do have it both ways, by simply turning on the sync function. That won't be popular, obviously, but doesn't that fact alone imply something? That perhaps people are not interested in being forced to abide by standards they've been part of for a long time. For as long as people rather do things easier (this includes gearing up for content beyond what you need to complete it), the popular option will always be to faceroll. The fact that we'll be able to do that, and continue to improve on the ease as time goes on, is a psychological reward by itself.

    That is the nature of MMORPGs. Unless you want the content (the fights, in this case) to stagnate over its entire existence, they need to be given more appeal to do in new ways (e.g. dominating the content by being overpowered for it). You might think that my mention of "entire existence" is overdoing it, but if your argument is for new players to experience it the old way, when does that end? It's all subjective on the matter, where the only objective view on that argument is a totality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GMERC View Post
    The only options shouldn't be to be extremely over leveled, at the bare minimum, or literal gods.
    Your argument falters at the very core of MMORPGs. If you're looking to argue against the idea of overpowering things, why even have gear that makes us stronger? How is overpowering something in a group of people to the point of boredom, any different than overpowering something alone? Being forced to be that way in a group, just means you're sharing that boredom with others... yay? If anything, unsync'd allows people to challenge themselves (improve their ability to play) by taking on fights that force them to pay attention, since no one will be able to cover for them, assuming it's content that isn't very old or low from them. Being against the idea of unsync'd combat (which for this game, is saying people should not be able to low-man content, even if for a challenge), is like saying you don't like the idea of your character getting stronger because it makes things easier to do. You can't pick and choose individual parts of your wants, when you're arguing to force your views and remove something with multiple variables at play.
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    Last edited by Welsper59; 01-24-2017 at 05:28 AM.

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    Only if this is your first MMO. Old content stops being relevant or attractive eventually. It's how it goes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Welsper59 View Post
    Your argument falters at the very core of MMORPGs. If .
    It takes three people to do ifrit extreme unsync , whats challenging about this how are you teaching anything to yourself. If anything it creates a habit to not worry about mechanics and to think you can ignore them all. And like I said we run other content over and over all the time potd is a perfect example of this, the duty roulette is also the same. But when it comes to anything thats actually remotely a challenge, people want to make it easier, and lose its worth. SE might as well give away all the birds and horses after content becomes old then.

    I have nothing against unsync content, Im just saying that if someone fresh comes into the game and lets say that stormblood is 120 quest and 10 dungeons, and 5 extreme primals and a raid. Thats pretty much all they will get out of a game that is 3 or 4 years old when its really 50 plus dungeons almost 20 raids, and 12 extreme primals. You cant really use the this is an mmo thing because in this game old content is reran over and over again, also in many other games its very common to redo the same content over and over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dragonseth07 View Post
    Only if this is your first MMO. Old content stops being relevant or attractive eventually. It's how it goes.
    It just becomes older faster her because we are lucky to get new content every 3 months , this is not the norm in other games. Some games have you doing the same raid for a whole year before they add anything else, I cant even think of a game with more frequent upgrades than this one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bswpayton View Post
    You cant really use the this is an mmo thing because in this game old content is reran over and over again, also in many other games its very common to redo the same content over and over.
    Yes and you redo it when you have more stuff/are more powerful to obtain vanity rewards faster. That's how MMOs work.
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