To people who complain about "elites".

[bswpayton]

All of this is a product of one thing to me , and it will be worse in storm blood for instance lets say that someone gets to hw , and the only actually extreme primals they cleared was ravana and bismark.

And before that they did all the Arr primals unsync and half the level 50 dungeons unsync , and they just did the hw dungeons. The problem is unsync content creates an environment of people not really seeing how tuff some the things they are destroying because they are ten levels higher really is. So to me its no surprise with how unsync stuff is the norm that the player base will continue to not know how to do certain fights. Think about this for a second basicly when storm blood comes out every arr primal, every hw primal, every raid from hw and arr will be able to be done unsync and it will be done this way.

So to me Id expect nothing less, than a few failed attempts until you finally got something done or cleared. When people get to storm blood if they are new will of had zero experience with any extreme are hard content unless they go out of their way to do it. This is the product of a feature being over used by the player base because content dies fast, and it will continue to effect the player base as long as its being over used.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

SE also doesn't help the situation with the level sync cap. Majority of the time it is set far too low, making the majority of low-medium dungeons being able to be steam rolled through.

[CookieMonsta]

That !

You can blame people for being bad, but remeber that if they are, it might be because they asked for help and no one thought it would be relevant to give them the good advices....
(I know their are guides and so, but sometimes you might need actual experience from your fellow adventurers)

I can't give you advice or teach you an opener in 2 minutes lol and expect you to fully understand and execute it. Thats all the first phase of Zurvan is, a friggin opener check (i.e. do you know how to DPS). I have no choice but to kick you from the group.

I think it depends on why their dps is low. Now if it is a clear party and they are avoiding mechanics etc and dps is low, then I understand peoples frustration. If it is a training party and dps is low because they have hit X mechanics/died etc then I wouldn't judge it so harsh. Although if they joined a last phase training fight and the dps was low then I would also understand being removed.



I actually enjoy helping people get through Ex fights with people who take longer to learn mechanics. I feel it is a bigger achievement. I don't leave anyone out in my FC. If they say they are not capable of doing Ex fights then I will help them get through it.

Again, holy shit, Zuervan's first phase is an opener check with zero mechanics lol. If 6 DPS cannot achieve a skip, then 3 or more are crap, considering its skippable with 3 DPS, 2 healers and 2 tanks.

[Belhi]

In Raid Finder, how do you deal with groups like this? Vote Dismiss/Requeue.

If your not in Raid Finder and you started the group then its up to you what you do. You could drop the group, say 'Sorry, your not performing well enough for us to clear, bye' or set a target to be achieved and if you don't hit it just explain that a clear isn't possible with the current performance and restart a group.

Its not exactly rocket science. People who aren't performing well enough are probably mostly not going to be pleased regardless what you do. I would however strongly not mentioning you are using a parser as using third party software is in violation of the ToS. SE choses to look the other way in regards to people using them as long as they don't make a deal of it. If you use it as a reason for kicking someone in ingame chat that can be reported as a ToS violation and you can get punished for it.

Your dealing with random people here. Its not rocket science. Its basic social etiquette. Don't be a jerk, rude or condescending and things are fine. Sure, your bound to upset someone but that inevitably happens when people feel rejected. However as with any social situation the best bet for both parties is to move on from it and go back to what you enjoy.

[Kitfox]

The funny thing is, Zurvan doesn't even have a high DPS check. You can beat him with less than 10k rDPS. Most people just rage quit because they don't know how to do Soar.

[CookieMonsta]

The funny thing is, Zurvan doesn't even have a high DPS check. You can beat him with less than 10k rDPS. Most people just rage quit because they don't know how to do Soar.

The biggest problem is by going in as 6 DPS, the strat has been decided to skip Soar at all costs. If there are members that cannot execute said strat, they must be removed. This is no longer the same mentality as taking standard comp and viewing the skip as a bonus.

[Masekase_Hurricane]

Again, holy shit, Zuervan's first phase is an opener check with zero mechanics lol. If 6 DPS cannot achieve a skip, then 3 or more are crap, considering its skippable with 3 DPS, 2 healers and 2 tanks.

I was referring to Ex fights etc in general not a specific fight.

[SeriousxSarcasm]

snip Thats all the first phase of Zurvan is, a friggin opener check (i.e. do you know how to DPS).

LMAO. I'm sorry, but this part just cracked me up because of how you worded it.

Also I don't think they're saying have saint-like patience with everyone, eg: I think Masekase mentioned it being unacceptable in a Clear party. Just that in general, out in the world of Roulettes, and Learning Parties people could offer more advice and less.... "LOL GIT GUD *kick*" Since lots of people do learn better by doing instead of reading, you know?

[Kitfox]

The biggest problem is by going in as 6 DPS, the strat has been decided to skip Soar at all costs. If there are members that cannot execute said strat, they must be removed. This is no longer the same mentality as taking standard comp and viewing the skip as a bonus.

At that point it might be a good idea to re-examine the efficiency of choosing such an all-or-nothing strategy for PF farming. Not really taking any sides, I just find it hilarious when "farm" parties wipe to Soar and try to hide behind DPS requirements because they don't know how to do mechanics properly.

Personally, I wouldn't go for 6 DPS in the first place as that just sounds risky and every wipe is time wasted if you're planning a farm. Sure, it might be great for speed kills, but for a long term farm with random PF people I'd go for something more stable.

[CookieMonsta]

Personally, I wouldn't go for 6 DPS in the first place as that just sounds risky and every wipe is time wasted if you're planning a farm. Sure, it might be great for speed kills, but for a long term farm with random PF people I'd go for something more stable.

Yes and No. I fully understand the logic behind the 6 DPS strat. The all or nothing strat is actually easier to learn simply because you cut out the deadliest mechanic at the nominal price of having 6 people knowing how to do semi-decent openers. That is far easier to do than getting 8 people exactly on the same page regarding soar positions. Plus, the 2nd soar is simply dealt with by Tank LB, the DPS loss is compensated by the 2 additional DPS. Its actually ingenius if it weren't for the fact most DPS don't know how to do decent openers.

Given this community's history with dealing/learning with Divebomb/Ravex style mechanics, I would not consider a non-skip strat to be more stable. Especially if the alternative only requires some people do 75% of their potential with zero P1 mech friction.