DEVS: May we PLEASE have an answer regarding the Feast and the Quick Chat feature?

[Isala]

I honestly doubt SE cares enough about the PvP community to do anything about it. This change, just like the minion one, was not requested by the actual PvP community, but by players who casually pick up PvP, or don't even PvP at all. Because that's the playerbase they care about. If they cared about PvP, they would not have taken this long to implement the Frontline Freelancer option, for instance. Or, they would actually monitor the Feast, and give out punishments to win traders, match throwers, and toxic players. Oh, they told us they would, with a massive stickied lie at the top of the PvP forum. But nothing actually happened. They just do. Not. Care. They do not care that their change has actually made the Feast worse for everyone, new players included. You can't even give advice now. Or any sort of relevant feedback to the state of the match. All to protect someone's feelings, from being called out for being bad. I'm just wondering when they're going to remove the chat from duty finder for PvE content. Cause, you know the players there are fond of telling others to die in a dumpster fire. But it's only an issue when PvP players do it, right? Such a joke.

[worldofneil]

I played The Feast in the past and received non-stop harassment and it was a really unenjoyable experience. My personal "favourites" were "I hope you get cancer" and "I hope your parents die in a car crash". But even on less of a scale I was repeatedly told to uninstall the game (?!) or never play feast again or basically blamed for every mistake.

Since the chat has been muted though... I'm having a blast and shock horror, I think I'm actually getting better at it. There have been a few times where I've wished chat was re-enabled, but overall so much happier with how it is now. I think SE didn't really have much of a choice though, if they had to do more moderating (which is just costing them more staff/time) they'd also likely have to start banning more people for user harassment (it's in the user agreement!) and they don't really want to do that.

It really should have simply been made optional. That way people who wish to make use of it can do so whilst those who don't can turn it off.

I can't really see how that would work though. You could end up with a team of players who all have chat enabled and can easily communicate with each other vs a team of players who have previously been harassed by players so they turned off the chat, as such they can't communicate as efficiently putting their entire team at an instant disadvantage.

Yes it would have been their choice to turn off the chat, but if the only alternative would be to reenable the chat and take the harassment again, that's not really much of an option. At least this way everyone is in the same boat.

[Zojha]

This change, just like the minion one, was not requested by the actual PvP community, but by players who casually pick up PvP, or don't even PvP at all.

Minor correction: The chat restriction wasn't requested by anyone, at least not on this board. They came up with that themselves.

[Isala]

Minor correction: The chat restriction wasn't requested by anyone, at least not on this board. They came up with that themselves.

Which is even worse, really. "Here's what we think you need!"

[Newmanxeno]

Chat off is a very lazy way to handle Feast toxicity. That being said I'm actually going to queue for it again, I never really got shit but watching the healers get yelled at constantly was a huge turnoff.

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

Since the chat has been muted though... I'm having a blast and shock horror, I think I'm actually getting better at it. There have been a few times where I've wished chat was re-enabled, but overall so much happier with how it is now. . .At least this way everyone is in the same boat.

Scott, I won't sugarcoat it, but please bear with me: You were the catalyst for the top 10 minion change, and that rubbed a LOT of people the wrong way. When you couple that with being new to ranked Feast, not knowing what's going on, thus costing people rating points, and the fact that you were there purely for the minion and would likely not participate otherwise, you became quite infamous quickly.

No, this does not in any way validate or justify people harrassing or treating you poorly in the Feast. But this is also not something exclusive to PvP, and it is a point many have argued on deaf ears thus far. For the sake of comparison, consider the Feast a farm party; you were the "One or more players have yet to complete this duty". I say again, that's no excuse to be mistreated, but 8v8 (while a poor example) is meant as the "practice" mode, and plenty of other people have worked to make starter guides available. Diving right into ranked was effectively joining a farm party and not knowing the fight, which also often draws equally bad reactions from players.

I digress, however, that this isn't about you solely. It's about the PvP playerbase overall now: We were ignored when we said we didn't like or want a change, and continue to be. We pointed out potential problems ahead of time, and now are faced with them. And though participation is up due to the Garo event, the overall enjoyment and performance within the Feast is rapidly declining. Most are simply trying to get their mount, then be done with the Feast for good. Were I someone at SE, this would warrant my attention, if even to simply say "we've heard your concerns and plan to address them".

But we haven't even gotten that.

[TiramisuMacaron]

Thread got moved to PvP section to die, like every other PvP thread. Except for the minion one. The censorship is real.

[Isala]

Thread got moved to PvP section to die, like every other PvP thread. Except for the minion one. The censorship is real.

So, what you're saying is, we got our answers after all. Instead of even saying that they got the message, they put us back in our corner so we'd shut up. I'd say that's a pretty good way to say "Shut up. We don't care what you want, nor are you worth the time to even respond to."

[ThirdChild_ZKI]

I won't lie, I'm pretty disappointed to see the only response given is to just move the thread. I'm aware forum moderation and actual dev response are two separate things entirely, but if the time was taken to move the thread, I at least hope time was taken to pass the information within along to possibly see something done.

To not do so at this point would reflect quite poorly, and deal yet another crippling blow to the confidence the PvP community has in ever being heard. And frankly, that's far too much of a slippery slope. If PvPers can be so easily pushed aside, who's next after us?

[Pyrali]

SE does not know how to manage PvP. First they created the PvP materia and gear with the Morale stat, then took it away. Then, they took away our chat. They've been steadily stripping PvP down since it began because of their own gross incompetence in creating and managing content.

Everyone's default answer to why this happened is 'everyone is an asshole', but honestly it's no worse than trying to do EX Primals. Have you even seen the kinds of shitfits people throw in SephEX, or Nidhogg EX? It's unreal. But we still have chat there.

8v8 has always been super chill and casual, never any real fire there. Ranked? Ok, yeah, maybe. But to an extent it's justified when you have actual rankings on the line and it feels like you're being griefed.

That being said, they've removed a way to learn, in ranked. When I first started entering Ranked PvP, I posted here, and on Reddit asking for advice. When I queued in, I asked my party for their input and what they'd like me to do, or I'd make suggestions like. "Hey, I'm going to be harassing their healer, is that OK?". I got a lot of help and great advice from my parties. I went in with an open mind, I took advice, I ASKED for advice in the briefing period, and I was generally met well.

You know what isn't met well? Wandering in with a belligerent 'don't tell me what to do' attitude and wiping your team over and over again. The problem isn't always other people. Sometimes you're the fucking problem and you need to own that and listen to people. If you are entering a collaborative, team based competitive mode of play and you are uncooperative and unwilling to listen to/work with your teammates, you are the problem. Someone disagreeing with you or trying to correct you is not, and never has been an attack. It is not always coddling or gentle, but if you present yourself as open to learning, people are a lot nicer. Going in blind and costing your teammates wins is aggravating, and will generate an aggravated response. Coming in with an adaptable and open attitude will get you, and your team where you need to be.

But instead of that, our lovely community responded with a metric fuckload of infantile screaming that both PvP players and the Devs didn't want to hear, so we ALL got muzzled.

I had an AST queue up in Feast ranked once and it was their first match ever. Noticing this, my party IMMEDIATELY started trying to help them. In the briefing period we got their PvP abilities, helped them pick a stance, and gave them a general crash course. And you know what? We won.

Now, there is no room for those teachable moments at all. I can't tell other tanks about stances, or the 4 stack threshold.

I can't even use my macros to let people know I've hit max stacks, or that I need help focusing a Holmganged target. The same thing applies to Black Mages with sleep.

All coordination is dead. It's a shitshow now more than ever before.

And it also takes away from a lot of that community feeling. When I run into people repeatedly in matches, I'd say hello or compliment them on the last run if we ended up on the same team this time. Or I'd offer some advice on how to counter stuff. I actually made a few friends that way.

The Devs will just continue to ignore us, because acknowledging us means acknowledging their own failures. They have not known how to run PvP successfully from the start, and just keep digging the hole even deeper with the eventual intent of burying it in obsoletion. PvP is the unwanted stepchild of XIV, and I'm really feeling it :')

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