16 hours of cross server zurvan extreme party finder: my thoughts

[Brian_]

What your sayin is what Ive been pretty much spending my time sayin in these forums sense ive been here. The player base doesnt really allow this learning process you speak of u literally have to go against the grain.

Simply because people view things from their own prospective, que up for an extreme arr primal and watch how fast someone abandons the duty if you wipe once or twice. Try to que up for any binding coil and see how many hours it takes to even get a que on the normal mood version it will never happen. Sure you can hit a dummy are something like that but this game is mechanic based after all it is the ops main complaint is that people dying from the mechanics of the game not whether they are preforming rotations or not. The games environment and the players attitudes create players that cant preform, simply because once something is old to the player base it is no longer worth their time to let players learn mechanics of old content.

Aside from the people who wrote and created the guides I used to improve, nobody had to allow me to do anything. You don't need a team of 7 people to pamper you to learn or improve. You just need the proper mindset and good guides / advice. There is plenty of good advice and guides out there. What's lacking is the mindset of improvement you need to make use of those resources. Instead, you have people with garbage fundamentals complaining others won't give them a chance when they obviously haven't given themselves a chance.

They're basically that kid in school that never does their homework, bombs all their quizzes and tests, fails basic algebra, and wonders why their teacher won't let them into their calculus class.

You have a fundamental lack of understanding of end-game. If all you had to do was pay attention to mechanics, any mechanic would suddenly become significantly simpler. What complicates mechanics and what frequently causes mistakes is the fact that you're also occupied with tanking, healing, and DPSing. You are hopefully trying to efficiently use your GCDs / casts in an optimized rotation, weave your oGCDs, refresh your DoTs and buffs, manage your CDs, manage whatever resource you use, hit your positionals, etc. If 0 DPS, tanking, and healing was required to beat Zurvan EX and all you had to do was the mechanics, the fight would be a lot easier. SE has echoed this sentiment with their assessment of tuning in Midas. They said that while they felt the mechanics were okay, they didn't properly adjust for how much harder to play the jobs have become in HW. They said that if we were still using our simpler ARR rotations, clear rates for Midas would be higher.

So when you say "sure you can hit a dummy or something like that but this game is mechanic based after all" your ability to execute your rotation is intrinsically tied to your ability to do mechanics. A lot of high-end raiders could probably out DPS 90% of the player-base while blind-folded. They could probably tell you every single action they use in the exact order of usage for large portions of every fight. A good DPS player doesn't look at their keyboard. They don't look at their hot-bars. They don't look at their buff, CD, and DoT timers. They're looking at the fight and mechanics because everything else is basically muscle memory.

My point is you don't need to do the hardest content in the game to improve your comfort level with your job to the point where you can easily execute your rotation while juggling mechanics. You don't need to wipe groups in Zurvan EX to make sure your opener is as natural to you as breathing. You don't need to waste the time of 7 other people to make sure your individual proficiency is at the level where learning a fight is purely about adapting to the mechanics.

So no, you don't agree with me and I'd rather you not distort what I say to fit your delusions.

[bswpayton]

Aside from the people who wrote and created the guides I used to improve, nobody had to allow me to do anything. You don't need a team of 7 people to pamper you to learn or improve. You just need the proper mindset and good guides / advice.e

I dont have any delusions not true I see people dying to mechanics every time I do any extreme primal, while people die in dungeons, its not the same as when people die in the extreme primals. But for you to say that you don't need in game practice and to just watch a guide is just silly , dps can push phases in fights but it will not keep you alive. Its the execution of doing the mechanics in a fight every time I que up for anything with extreme on it , mechanics are what kill people.

Its the biggest issue in the game of course someone who raids and thinks that top dps is the answers to all things will see differently, but you can have amazing numbers on a training dummy but if you have trouble with mechanics then you will die this cant be disputed. So like I said the op in her original post said not one single thing about dps numbers she said that people where dying to the mechanics of the fight, and for those whom think mechanics are simple then of course every fight will seem easy if you have amazing dps numbers. But at the end of the day if you cant do mechanics , then you are going to fail every time, and you learn mechanics in game not from watchin a video or guide I watch a guide for everything I do. Mr happy , mrs tech every piece of content that Ive done Ive watched a guide for, but I didnt learn any fights from them I knew what to expect but I learned a fight in game in the instance.

So yea if people aren't doing content no matter how well someone can do their proper rotation , if you dont know mechanics of a fight you will fail 9 times out of 10. I can give you tons of examples Ive seen where tryin to do mechanics and dpsing effectively at the same time doesnt cut it alone. For example the dps check in shiva extreme if people fail that the first time they easily do it the next, people start dying when shes in staff form and the ice is still falling from the sky, or when people dont move in time for her bow form. Titan extrme nothin to do with dps, landslide kills most people that die in that fight they simply fall off the platform, Levitan extreme Ive never seen a single person die until the gates come off the boat and they have to start dodging him not because they cant dps him because he actually cant even be attacked while hes doing this. Gaurda extreme nothing to do with dps its tanks not separating the two adds properly or not doing the spiny swap properly or dying to the tornados. When I did ravana people fall off the platform, and die thats not a dps check thats just reaction time to mechanics again. Ramuh extreme people die from not doing the mechanics in the fight properly like not breaking people out of charmed correctly or not gathering orbs properly. Its kinda a given that you have to dps , heal , and tank during these fights but if people could do mechanics properly even if your dps is low you can still clear a fight, if you cant do mechanics then you are going to fail every time.

So mechanics come first dps comes second because you have to not die from mechanics to dps in the first place. Like I said its all about perception if you come from the mindset that the mechanics in the game is easy then you want see any type of challenge, but if you accept the reality that what people die from is the mechanics then maybe you will understand that the only way they will learn is through practice and people willing to be in these instances and do the content as it was intended. You brought dps up the op said nothing about dps in their opening post they went on a rant about how people died to as they said brain dead mechanics.