16 hours of cross server zurvan extreme party finder: my thoughts

[Mycow8me]

You are arbitrarily applying rules to a public system that was only created to assist with grouping. Lower skilled players don't have the same vanity that a higher skilled player can have. Obviously lower skilled players would seek out higher skilled players to help or learn from. Why would you tell a lower skilled player to go play with lower skilled players? There's only so many people who are higher on the totem pole. The further you go, the less people you have to play with/befriend/enjoy the game with.

[bswpayton]

Your same logic could be applied to the lesser skilled people. They could find parties of their own of similar skilled people and not deal with PF. But PF is there as a tool people use to find other people within their skill range.

The only reason I even mention doing it that way is because they used pf , and then it kept going wrong so why not say ok this isnt working out let me get my friends together and do this. Also its just stupid to say know the fight on the first day of the fight are within hours of the fights release sure if you put that same pf up now today after people have been spamming it sure, but even then, after a mere two days I wouldn't expect people to be playing this primal like all the others they have done over and over again.

So the only reason I mention doing it with friends is because the op set a standard, that like I said even if people made it to those phases doesnt mean they are an expert of the mechanics. Ive cleared primals once , and if I go back in again doesnt mean Im gona no every single mechanic like I do for the stuff in duty finder cause I only did that primal once. So yes after one day it was their fault for puttin those requirements up , so yes if they wanted it to go perfectly they should of set up a premade party like the other people we have videos of that cleared first.

I would like to think that SE is doing a good job if people can fail at content, everyone calls everything easy, but I never see anyone die in the first dungeon of the game , but I do see people die to all of the primals. So maybe those who play on a different level only need to do content with those that can meet their own standards, they are always the ones to leave duties anyway so why not just do stuff with people you know who will make things go as smoothly as possible for their gaming experience.

[LadyKairi]

The point is people joining clear/farm parties, knowing they aren't on that level yet. If their cross-world PF looked anything like mine did at that time, there were MANY learning/progression parties. If they do not know all of the mechanics, they should not join a clear party. There are plenty of learning parties out there. If there aren't a lot of people ready to clear, then let those people ready to clear sit and wait for their PF to fill. They could then spend their time waiting doing something productive, rather than getting their time wasted with horrible runs that don't get close to their goal.

If more skilled people wanna teach the less skilled, they would join or make learning parties. Not clear or farm parties. When we wanna get our stuff done, we don't wanna get held back.

[bswpayton]

The point is people joining clear/farm parties, knowing they aren't on that level yet. If their cross-world PF looked anything like mine did at that .

This can literally keep going around in circles if then you want to get it done then make a premade party with people you know thats gona be good at the fight. Common sense would tell you within the same day of its release, even if someone claimed on the first day that they knew this fight that its a possibility they could be overstating because they hadn't even really had enough time to do said fight.

And also as the person who set up the party how much did the op go into asking them about all the mechanics and what they knew about the fight before they even qued up. So again some of this has to go on the op its a process forming a party and questions could of been asked so if they didnt have a clue to what they were talkin about they could of kicked them from the party if they felt that they needed to. And like I said you can go do a fight once clear and still fail to mechanics, I am giving those the benefit of the doubt that maybe they did get to the phases that the op asked. But in the end the minimal amount of experience they would of had with this fight because it is still new,caused them to fail at them.

[Dement]

This can literally keep going around in circles if then you want to get it done then make a premade party with people you know thats gona be good at the fight. Common sense would tell you within the same day of its release, even if someone claimed on the first day that they knew this fight that its a possibility they could be overstating because they hadn't even really had enough time to do said fight.

And also as the person who set up the party how much did the op go into asking them about all the mechanics and what they knew about the fight before they even qued up. So again some of this has to go on the op its a process forming a party and questions could of been asked so if they didnt have a clue to what they were talkin about they could of kicked them from the party if they felt that they needed to. And like I said you can go do a fight once clear and still fail to mechanics, I am giving those the benefit of the doubt that maybe they did get to the phases that the op asked. But in the end the minimal amount of experience they would of had with this fight because it is still new,caused them to fail at them.

There's a vast number of reasons why OP may not have gotten a premade party together with people he knew. Maybe they weren't on. Maybe he's in a small FC. Maybe he's the only person he knows interested in doing the fight. Maybe his static time doesn't occur at 5:30 AM on a Tuesday? Maybe he has odd hours and doesn't know a lot of people? The list goes on and on...

Why is it on the OP to conduct an interview of each party member when the comment of his party finder literally said what he was looking for.

[LadyKairi]

Some of us keep our inner circle small, and even the friends we have may not be at the same skill level. Im sorry, but I don't choose my friends based on their skill. And when people create a PF, I'm sure their expecting people to read their description and abide by it. When people have something they wanna do, pretty sure they don't wanna babysit the people who join.

[bswpayton]

There's a vast number of reasons why OP may not have gotten a premade party together with people he knew. Maybe they weren't on. Maybe he's in a small FC. Maybe he's the only person he knows interested in doing the fight. Maybe his static time doesn't occur at 5:30 AM on a Tuesday? Maybe he has odd hours and doesn't know a lot of people? The list goes on and on...

Why is it on the OP to conduct an interview of each party member when the comment of his party finder literally said what he was looking for.

We are talkin about a 16 hour window according to the op, and they are tryin to say that 45 dps lied about gettin to said phases and everyone hadnt done the fight before I find that hard to believe. So yea after about 5 hours Id try a different route , because obviously the party finder wasnt working.

[Crysten]

Obviously lower skilled players would seek out higher skilled players to help or learn from.

The fact you think that's true in this game's community ever since the days of pre-nerf Amdapor Keep/Pharos Sirius/Steps of Faith is adorable.

We are talkin about a 16 hour window according to the op, and they are tryin to say that 45 dps lied about gettin to said phases and everyone hadnt done the fight before I find that hard to believe. So yea after about 5 hours Id try a different route , because obviously the party finder wasnt working.

You've clearly not been playing this game long enough to experience just how bad players can be at this game.

[Brill_]

Due to real life commitments, I've had about 1.5 hours of practice at this fight so far. I'm not perfect at it yet, I guess I'm one of the players that is ruining the game.

[Dement]

We are talkin about a 16 hour window according to the op, and they are tryin to say that 45 dps lied about gettin to said phases and everyone hadnt done the fight before I find that hard to believe. So yea after about 5 hours Id try a different route , because obviously the party finder wasnt working.

I gave 5 examples on why he didn't get a group of friends and you disputed one of them. My static will not be running Zurvan. We do not have much time to run throughout the week due to real life obligations and thus our raid days are reserved for Alexander. There's another one that doesn't fit your narrative. If you have a group of people who will drop what they want to do to do Zurvan with you whenever you call, then congratulations... I offer my friends a spot in my parties but I don't force them to come with me if they have other priorities.

In a cross server situation I can absolutely imagine 45 people joining a clear party under false pretenses... it has been a problem on the high populace servers for a long time. The problem is it only takes 1 or 2 in a group to implode the entirety of the group, returning you to square 1.