16 hours of cross server zurvan extreme party finder: my thoughts

[ZhaneX]

I don't. I join learning parties to learn or to help people get their clears. I'm perfectly fine with wipes there. When I join a clear party, I'm expecting people to at least be decent.

Well good for you. We seem agreed at least on the concept that people should respect what's advertised.

Shame we can't seem to agree on not shaming people who have a hard time with stuff, while trying their best and sticking within appropriate groupings.

[ToasterMan]

Why is it always people from Gilgamesh with the "everyone's bad but me!" attitudes?

Gilgamesh is the unoffical raiding server in Aether. So as you would guess, the elitists tend to gravitate towards it like moths near a patio light. I fully support this because it keeps them out of other servers

Anyway in regards to the OP, why not just do it with your static? I'm sure you guys are as great as you say you are, so why even bother with those plebs in PF right?

[PondHollow]

I spent the rest of today using cross server party finder to get my zurvan ex clear. Now it is about 14 hours

This is your problem OP. Some people won't see that kind of time in a while, not the least to dedicate to one particular piece of content when there is other stuff to do. If you want to find a large community that can keep up with you, you'll need to wait a couple weeks at least.

[Miste]

Savage is likely a different story and I would agree with your assessment that a static is required if you want to try it on day 1 and hope to clear it. However, EX Primals have never been on the same level as Savage or Coil.

They aren't but still placing that goal on yourself is self inflicted. PF groups constantly reform and members change so you cannot get consistency and overall performance increase because you keep getting different players who may have gotten to the same point in the fight but might have only spent a few hours so their memorization of the fight is still lacking and this is exacerbated by there being no reference videos or guides on day one.

Like I said you can clear with PF PUGs day one but you should understand your chances are not that high it isn't really about debating whether you can clear or not on day one because I already said you can in PF, but you would have to get lucky. The odds are stacked against everyone on day one because of reasons listed above and it is no ones fault; everyone just needs time to analyze the mechanics and spread word of mouth about the possible best way to handle things and people need time to push out guides and help videos.

Also the unreasonable aspect about OP was that they blamed the community immediately when they couldn't clear on day one. You can't critique clear rates on content on day one and just because a fight is braindead easy for you doesn't mean everyone else is going to have the same experience with it. Not everyone is on the same level and every single player in this game has different skill cap levels and each of us need our own amount of time to learn content. One person can master the fight in 2 hours while another might need 4 and another might need 8.

It boggles my mind that people who knowingly join parties beyond their current skill level get more of a pass than someone who had a goal they wanted to achieve and posted appropriately labeled party finders to achieve said goal.

I agree players should respect the PF requirements that people place.

In addition, if we want to dissect things that could easily be considered "not very nice", of the two people I directly quoted, one implied on Page 2 or 3 that OP was on welfare to play video games all day the other ended their quote with the quintessential internet insult of "Go outside"

I don't condone anything that attacks a posters personal life so no I agree those aren't very nice things to say, but I was only responding to what you said because you seemed to miss the problem with OP's post.

The concern of the OP, people that don't know the fight join clear parties, is a very valid point.

Even in my first response I acknowledged the issue with people joining PF's and ignoring the requirements so....?

It has nothing to do with day one.

It does have something to do with day one since the post was on day one with a player quiting because they couldn't clear the hardest content they added this patch on day one.

It has nothing to do with PF.

It does...? Because OP has no static for Zurvan EX specifically so they are therefore using PF to try to clear on day one.

It has nothing to do with elitism.

I never used the word elitism anywhere in my posts so.....?

It has nothing to do with the fight.

Okay....? O.o

It is an issue made by the people that don't understand, what a clear party means, ignoring the fact they are not ready for a clear party or just are looking for a free carry. Nothing else.

The whole first paragraph of OP's post never even mentioned PF listing or people joining clear parties it was about how they mastered it in 2 hours and how the fight is braindead easy and they can't understand why others can't do the simple mechanics. So..nothing else? It seems to me you skipped over their whole first paragraph.

[Ampheni]

To those who said there is no guides, there were a guide already in reddit within 12hrs detailing all moves zurvan does. Besides, the OP did say those people were joining parties intended for people who is really close to clearing, not a party for fresh learners. It is at least a common courtesy to respect the rules that a pf lead puts up, and not act like you are entitled that they have to carry you. If you wanted to learn fresh thats what learn parties are for, those ppl were basically wasting other people's time. Hardcore or not, everyone can be busy, and their time is precious to them too.

[KarstenS]

how the fight is braindead easy and they can't understand why others can't do the simple mechanics. So..nothing else?

Yes. They are. In the first phase, healers, dds and OT have just 2 things to watch out.

1. Don't leave the quarter of the circler you are after entering the area.

2. Move out the red circle indicator, when they appear under the players.

Thats all. There is nothing else happening for them. Even both healers can DPS the entire phase, as the MT is not getting any relevant damage.

When people die in this phase, and the OP siad they died in this phase, they are really bad and should not do an extreme primal at all, as this phase is easier than the most 4 man dungeons.

There are just 3 things in the entire fight, that need some little coordination.

1. Where do we spread for the mechanic, that is a copy&paste of Ravana.

2. Pay attention, that you and your tether partner take meteors close to each other.

3. dodge the south wind clockwise or the other direction.

It seems to me you skipped over their whole first paragraph.

You can skip some mechanics in the second phase. But you will see them in the last phase again. You don't skip it completely out of the fight.

[Miste]

Yes. They are.

When people die in this phase, and the OP siad they died in this phase, they are really bad and should not do an extreme primal at all, as this phase is easier than Sastasha (normal).

I never said that I myself think the mechanics are hard (I have a clear since yesterday so telling me the mechanics is pointless), but I am not going to go posting on the forums how I find certain content braindead easy and then berate other players for not learning them as fast as me.

Every single person who plays this game has screwed up and died to an "easy" mechanic at one time or another (even you) because human beings are not perfect.

You can skip some mechanics in the second phase. But you will see them in the last phase again. You don't skip it completely out of the fight.

First paragraph of OP's post...I wasn't talking about the fight phases O.o

[bswpayton]

Frankly, if it weren't for how awful Zurvan is to pug, I would rank him almost on Bismarck's level. He offers literally nothing new and even reuses a mechanic we just had (Scrapline). I have no idea whether the devs ran out of

I think what needs to happen is some people need to realize they are playing with thousands of other people around the world. And not just see this game from their own eyes thats the problem right there. Its kinda like this for example you have alot of college football players well only some of them or NFL material do you think those good players go around telling everyone else how horrible they are because they arent good enough to be on their level to make it to the league.

I dont think so , but with this video game that seems to be an even bigger divide than I ever imagined and Im starting to feel like its at the top instead of at the bottom. Its very rare to find just amazingly horrible players, if to me SE puts the tag extreme primal on something then I expect people to have problems with it. Sometimes you may catch someone as they are on the way to learning the content I apologize to you if by chance you end up in a run with them at their worse. But that doesnt mean that they will never get it or that they will never clear it , it just means you caught them in the process, but you know that's apart of doing group content.

When I read some of these post It makes me wonder why some people even play this game because acceptance is just horrible and thats apart of group content , and I also wonder what games they played where everyone else all had the same skill level bet not very many. I never use the party finder I will now but I haven't thus far Ive mostly used duty finder and accepted the wait when I use this I look at it as an attempt of doing something I dont go in expecting an automatic clear like its a basic msq mission. I mean really this is the last extreme primal until sometime this summer to be complaining about other peoples performance when it just came out two days ago is just pure elitism and that's the bottom line you arent looking at it from anyone elses standpoint but your own. And if someone has 14 hours to dedicate to doing something then they also had 14 hours to get together people they knew in fc, or on their friends list that could hold to the standards of their skill level and not even have to use pf.

[Dement]

I think what needs to happen is some people need to realize they are playing with thousands of other people around the world. And not just see this game from their own eyes thats the problem right there. Its kinda like this for example you have alot of college football players well only some of them or NFL material do you think those good players go around telling everyone else how horrible they are because they arent good enough to be on their level to make it to the league.

I dont think so , but with this video game that seems to be an even bigger divide than I ever imagined and Im starting to feel like its at the top instead of at the bottom. Its very rare to find just amazingly horrible players, if to me SE puts the tag extreme primal on something then I expect people to have problems with it. Sometimes you may catch someone as they are on the way to learning the content I apologize to you if by chance you end up in a run with them at their worse. But that doesnt mean that they will never get it or that they will never clear it , it just means you caught them in the process, but you know that's apart of doing group content.

When I read some of these post It makes me wonder why some people even play this game because acceptance is just horrible and thats apart of group content , and I also wonder what games they played where everyone else all had the same skill level bet not very many. I never use the party finder I will now but I haven't thus far Ive mostly used duty finder and accepted the wait when I use this I look at it as an attempt of doing something I dont go in expecting an automatic clear like its a basic msq mission. I mean really this is the last extreme primal until sometime this summer to be complaining about other peoples performance when it just came out two days ago is just pure elitism and that's the bottom line you arent looking at it from anyone elses standpoint but your own. And if someone has 14 hours to dedicate to doing something then they also had 14 hours to get together people they knew in fc, or on their friends list that could hold to the standards of their skill level and not even have to use pf.

Once again though, the difference is DF and PF. If I use the DF then I fully accept that I will get people from all skill levels, I will absolutely keep my mouth shut and try to be as helpful as possible and work towards helping other players improve whom may be new to the fight.

If I use the PF with the comment "Learning group, everyone welcome" then I will absolutely keep my mouth shut and try to be as helpful as possible and work towards helping other players improve whom may be new to the fight.

If I use the PF with the comment "Progression group, please be able to consistently get to Phase 3" then I expect people who join to have a solid grasp of the first two phases and be prepared to consistently get through them with little hand holding and few mistakes. Of course mistakes are going to happen in Phases 1 and 2 but there's a large difference between making a mistake and having no clue what you are doing.

If I use the PF with the comment "Clear party" then I expect the people who join to have experienced the entirety of the fight for themselves in progression and learning groups. I expect them to know how each mechanic is handled and the general order mechanics will occur in. I do not expect them to wipe the group in phase 2 and then claim "Oh, sorry... that's the first time I've ever been here" as was an example used from the OPs own clear party groups.

If a PF is commented as a Farm party then you better not have a bonus, have multiple clears under your belt and be able to 1 or 2 shot the fight every time without fail. Otherwise, you're wasting the 7 other people's time who signed up for a party which was capable of doing just that.

To use your own analogy, no NFL players will not go around randomly berating players of lower skill. However, if a high school junior could walk into an NFL game and start playing in it, knowing full well what he was getting into and then he underperformed (even if it is expected), you bet there would be repercussions from the NFL players whom would not be happy about the situation. Is it then the NFL players fault that they are frustrated that they told everyone what they expected from their team and then someone, who obviously didn't fit the mold that they stated, joined anyway?

[Mature]

What a terrible threat and rude towards other players who are learning the fight that ONLY came out a couple of days ago.

You CANNOT expect people to be doing high/good or standard DPS when they need to learn positions to adjust their rotation to exploit their DPS on this new fight.

Just terrible. Can't believe this thread is still open or even allow to be posted