SCH pet glamors?

[Dyvid]

Well SMN was disappointing in 3.0 and made many people drop the job to include myself. Though it wasn't the only job that 3.0 left a bad taste in players mouth. Egi glamour was SE's consolation prize for not adding new summons to FFXIV's pet job. There was also demand to let players summon carbuncle again because many felt it was a better designed pet over the Egi.

As for SCH, I wouldn't mind the pet glamour system being extended to the job and there are many iconic healer summons they could use.

[Jandor]

You haven't actually proven anything against her claim, if anything you strengthened it.

I'm not sure how. It was claimed that fairies are just constructs the same as any other, but the game outright says they're a "distinct individual with their own thoughts, feelings, and memories."

Carbuncles have thoughts, feelings and memories sure, but nothing from before you summon them. If a back up does exist of your carbuncle it exists in you, not independent on you like the fairy.
Basically, carbuncles are extensions of your will, the fairy is not. Which seemed to be the main claim to me.

[Celef]

ROTFLMAO! Bard and MCH are completely separate and different jobs. SMN and SCH both develope from Arcanist. The situation is undeniably different.

You're not being rude, though you are deliberately avoiding the obvious truth of what I said.

Agreed they develope from ARC but then they become 2 differents class, as different as MCH and BRD or even BLM and NIN for example ^^"
I'de say even more regarding they do not even have the same role in the team.

That's why i agree with you they should both be abble to use Carby as glam but Carby only (speaking of shared glam, not against SCH having his own like you suggested). The issue lies beyond that.
What if SE agrees to make a shared Carby glam but won't add exclusif glam to SCH ? won't they be asking for the SMN one's then ?
If so, what shoud SE do ? Give SCH SMN glam while the job has nothing to do with Egi at all ?
(they explained why we could carby-glam, if I glam my Garuda as Carby, it's still Garuda's essence I summon with another appearance in mind)

Could you explain me the ROTFLMAO please ? english not being my mother tongue I learn everyday ^^"

How about the fairy riding carbuncle? lol

that would be the best comprmis ever and would make me go back to SCH ! xD

[Lambdafish]

Scholars can't have carbuncles as glamour for Eos/Selene because the fairy is a living being, carbuncle is not. it is just a "construct" made by aether, it have no life. That's why summoners can subtitute ifrit/garuda/titan-egi for carbuncles.

I don't know why people are bringing lore into this, lore can be manipulated, and there are a billion scenarios I can think of that make fairy glamour viable (I posted earlier about aetherial masks to hide Lily from suspicion/danger, ala allied beast quest 2.x). The point is that mechanically, SCH uses the same pet system as SMN, and has not been given access to something that would serve the job well (and with the system now in place, would not be difficult to expand upon). We might have different pets, but in the lore my SCH is still attuned to the aetherial signiture of carbuncle, and could easily use it as a mask for lily (my buttons even still have carbuncle on them)

I didn't buy the egi glamour lore anyway, "just think about another primal while summoning your egi and its aetherial signiture will be changed" really square? If that works then SCHs lore can easily be expanded upon (as I said, same logic applies to an aetherial mask, which is something that already exists within the game lore).

[Celef]

I don't know why people are bringing lore into this

Because it will probally be SE's excuse to not bring it and we all know that ^^"
They can't clearly say "we don't have time" because they found it for SMN or "We are affraid some players might want more" because it's not commercial at all to suggest your clients are never satisfied with what they get ^^" (which is true, but a secret xD)

[AmalonStar]

What?
FF V - casts reflect on the party
FF VI - casts reflect on the party
FF VIII - casts reflect on the party
FF IX - has 4 forms:
- Ruby > reflect
- Diamond > vanish
- Emerald > haste
- Pearl > shell
FF XI - this one could heal
FF XII: Revenant Wings - this one could heal
FF XV - only appears when playing on easy mode, heals Noctis when he falls to critical
FF Tactics, Tactics Advance, and Tactics A2 - casts reflect on allies

Carbuncle has rarely been a healer.

Just made my point there, while not in every game carbuncle does using healing magic but as you've also pointed out carbuncle uses other support magics too.

Either way sch fairy can still get glamor's either use carbuncle with different colours or they can use other lore type beings like forest nymphs or things like that. There is a wide array of glamor ideas they can use for sch.

[Nirokun]

Carbuncle for SMN self-buffs (or party buffs, DPS have party buffs, too)!

[Kosmos992k]

Could you explain me the ROTFLMAO please ? english not being my mother tongue I learn everyday ^^"

Certainly, it's a much more emphatic version of LOL( Laughing Out Loud).

ROTFLMAO is normally thought of as "Rolling On The Floor Laughing My Ass Off". It's an old abbreviation from the days of the internet before Forums such as this were common, and instead Usenet newsgroups were king. There were no emoticons or emojis to use, and people came up with all sorts of abbreviations to use as short hand, and shorten posts. ROTFLMAO can convey things like I fell out of my seat because I laughed so hard, or I was rolling on the floor laughing uncontrollably, that kind of thing. It's exaggerated of course, like most Internet abbreviations...

I was laughing because MCH and BRD are so completely separate that I could not see the similarity in position to SMN & SCH, which do share their primary root class.

I used ROTFLMAO instead of LOL because I wanted it to be more emphatic about being amused by the comparison.

As it happens I agree with both you and Shougun about the faerie riding a carbuncle as a SCH glamour, or something along those lines. I like Eos and Selene, a visual make over for each of them that retains their basic appearance/personality would be great. I just don't buy into SE spending a significant developer effort on SMN only to 'apologize' to SMN for Egi not meeting player expectations. A several have pointed out the underlying mechanics of Egi and Faerie are identical in most respects, so extending the system to cover SCH with glamours specific to Eos and Selene would be fairly straightforward for SE, and would certainly make better use of the time spend developing 'pet' glamours.

[Ama_Hamada]

The fairy aesthetic was never for me, but i do enjoy the scholar healing style, i'd have loved to use a carby instead.

They could even be different colors than the SMN carbuncles. Like a dawn carbuncle and a dusk carbuncle. that match eos and selene's color palates

That is a neat idea, and what is his name summoned a ....

a grey/black one to catch an arrow

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Just made my point there, while not in every game carbuncle does using healing magic but as you've also pointed out carbuncle uses other support magics too.

Either way sch fairy can still get glamor's either use carbuncle with different colours or they can use other lore type beings like forest nymphs or things like that. There is a wide array of glamor ideas they can use for sch.

that works too, i just do not like giving SMN only them and ignoring SCH

[Shougun]

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