16 hours of cross server zurvan extreme party finder: my thoughts

[Miste]

I think what you both (and many others in this thread) have completely missed is that OP was setting up their own party finders that were clearly labeled as "CLEAR PARTY, KNOW MECHANICS BEFORE YOU JOIN". No one is expecting everyone to know a fight on the first day. No one is expecting people to be perfect and never make a mistake.

What you missed is that OP's expectations are totally unreasonable, yet they blame others for their inability to clear.

It is very naive to think you can clear an EX primal first day of release with PF. Can it happen? Sure. High percent chance? Definitely not due to the fact there is no guides or videos available yet to assist people in learning the fight more thoroughly.

If you want to beat extreme/savage level new content on day one of release you get a static, end of story.

I get the point about players joining PFs when they ignore the requests to be knowledgeable up to a specific point (players should not do this to respect others) but if you notice they said a lot of other things in their post that were just general statements about people failing mechanics. They didn't even mention PF stipulations until their second paragraph so I assumed the two were unrelated.

It is a very unreasonable goal to have without a static and OP basically thinks their goal should be obtainable...and when it isn't they claim the community "ruined" it for them (which doesn't sound very nice if you ask me :/ )...you know even though the OP themselves was the one who wanted this personal goal for themselves by beating it day one.

My BF and I spent a few hours yesterday in RF practicing, and then today we joined PF's for 4-5 hours worth and I got my Zurvan clear in a PF group like 2 hours ago. The practice level of people from just yesterday to today has increased by a lot already.

[Dement]

What you missed is that OP's expectations are totally unreasonable, yet they blame others for their inability to clear.

It is very naive to think you can clear an EX primal first day of release with PF. Can it happen? Sure. High percent chance? Definitely not due to the fact there is no guides or videos available yet to assist people in learning the fight more thoroughly.

If you want to beat extreme/savage level new content on day one of release you get a static, end of story.

I get the point about players joining PFs when they ignore the requests to be knowledgeable up to a specific point (players should not do this to respect others) but if you notice they said a lot of other things in their post that were just general statements about people failing mechanics. They didn't even mention PF stipulations until their second paragraph so I assumed the two were unrelated.

It is a very unreasonable goal to have without a static and OP basically thinks their goal should be obtainable...and when it isn't they claim the community "ruined" it for them (which doesn't sound very nice if you ask me :/ )...you know even though the OP themselves was the one who wanted this personal goal for themselves by beating it day one.

My BF and I spent a few hours yesterday in RF practicing, and then today we joined PF's for 4-5 hours worth and I got my Zurvan clear in a PF group like 2 hours ago. The practice level of people from just yesterday to today has increased by a lot already.

Whether it's an unreasonable goal or not is debatable. On Balmung, at least, PF groups have been clearing EX Primals on day 1 since 2.2 introduced Leviathan. With cross server PF, I don't really think it's that unthinkable to clear an EX Primal on day 1 through the use of PF. Savage is likely a different story and I would agree with your assessment that a static is required if you want to try it on day 1 and hope to clear it. However, EX Primals have never been on the same level as Savage or Coil.

OP posted while frustrated and I can completely understand that frustration. One of the players in OPs group posted a tale of an AST in their party that wiped the run to Southern Cross and then claimed he didn't know what to do because he had never been that far before... in a clear party. Also, you're right, there are no video guides... so why are people joining clear groups when they haven't been through the fight and have no idea what is waiting for them. It's an incredibly rude thing to do but happens quite frequently. Pair that with the jump ship mentality that leads to everyone rapidly dropping party as soon as you exit an instance and I can absolutely understand OPs frustrations. While the OP was heavy handed in their initial post by berating the community as a whole, a subset of the community absolutely did ruin it for them whether it sounds nice or not.

It boggles my mind that people who knowingly join parties beyond their current skill level get more of a pass than someone who had a goal they wanted to achieve and posted appropriately labeled party finders to achieve said goal.

In addition, if we want to dissect things that could easily be considered "not very nice", of the two people I directly quoted, one implied on Page 2 or 3 that OP was on welfare to play video games all day the other ended their quote with the quintessential internet insult of "Go outside" after a long rant which included an analogy about getting matched with A+ players in duty finder... thus kind of proving that the clear party Party Finder was a completely missed point.

[Miste]

Savage is likely a different story and I would agree with your assessment that a static is required if you want to try it on day 1 and hope to clear it. However, EX Primals have never been on the same level as Savage or Coil.

They aren't but still placing that goal on yourself is self inflicted. PF groups constantly reform and members change so you cannot get consistency and overall performance increase because you keep getting different players who may have gotten to the same point in the fight but might have only spent a few hours so their memorization of the fight is still lacking and this is exacerbated by there being no reference videos or guides on day one.

Like I said you can clear with PF PUGs day one but you should understand your chances are not that high it isn't really about debating whether you can clear or not on day one because I already said you can in PF, but you would have to get lucky. The odds are stacked against everyone on day one because of reasons listed above and it is no ones fault; everyone just needs time to analyze the mechanics and spread word of mouth about the possible best way to handle things and people need time to push out guides and help videos.

Also the unreasonable aspect about OP was that they blamed the community immediately when they couldn't clear on day one. You can't critique clear rates on content on day one and just because a fight is braindead easy for you doesn't mean everyone else is going to have the same experience with it. Not everyone is on the same level and every single player in this game has different skill cap levels and each of us need our own amount of time to learn content. One person can master the fight in 2 hours while another might need 4 and another might need 8.

It boggles my mind that people who knowingly join parties beyond their current skill level get more of a pass than someone who had a goal they wanted to achieve and posted appropriately labeled party finders to achieve said goal.

I agree players should respect the PF requirements that people place.

In addition, if we want to dissect things that could easily be considered "not very nice", of the two people I directly quoted, one implied on Page 2 or 3 that OP was on welfare to play video games all day the other ended their quote with the quintessential internet insult of "Go outside"

I don't condone anything that attacks a posters personal life so no I agree those aren't very nice things to say, but I was only responding to what you said because you seemed to miss the problem with OP's post.

The concern of the OP, people that don't know the fight join clear parties, is a very valid point.

Even in my first response I acknowledged the issue with people joining PF's and ignoring the requirements so....?

It has nothing to do with day one.

It does have something to do with day one since the post was on day one with a player quiting because they couldn't clear the hardest content they added this patch on day one.

It has nothing to do with PF.

It does...? Because OP has no static for Zurvan EX specifically so they are therefore using PF to try to clear on day one.

It has nothing to do with elitism.

I never used the word elitism anywhere in my posts so.....?

It has nothing to do with the fight.

Okay....? O.o

It is an issue made by the people that don't understand, what a clear party means, ignoring the fact they are not ready for a clear party or just are looking for a free carry. Nothing else.

The whole first paragraph of OP's post never even mentioned PF listing or people joining clear parties it was about how they mastered it in 2 hours and how the fight is braindead easy and they can't understand why others can't do the simple mechanics. So..nothing else? It seems to me you skipped over their whole first paragraph.

[KarstenS]

how the fight is braindead easy and they can't understand why others can't do the simple mechanics. So..nothing else?

Yes. They are. In the first phase, healers, dds and OT have just 2 things to watch out.

1. Don't leave the quarter of the circler you are after entering the area.

2. Move out the red circle indicator, when they appear under the players.

Thats all. There is nothing else happening for them. Even both healers can DPS the entire phase, as the MT is not getting any relevant damage.

When people die in this phase, and the OP siad they died in this phase, they are really bad and should not do an extreme primal at all, as this phase is easier than the most 4 man dungeons.

There are just 3 things in the entire fight, that need some little coordination.

1. Where do we spread for the mechanic, that is a copy&paste of Ravana.

2. Pay attention, that you and your tether partner take meteors close to each other.

3. dodge the south wind clockwise or the other direction.

It seems to me you skipped over their whole first paragraph.

You can skip some mechanics in the second phase. But you will see them in the last phase again. You don't skip it completely out of the fight.

[Miste]

Yes. They are.

When people die in this phase, and the OP siad they died in this phase, they are really bad and should not do an extreme primal at all, as this phase is easier than Sastasha (normal).

I never said that I myself think the mechanics are hard (I have a clear since yesterday so telling me the mechanics is pointless), but I am not going to go posting on the forums how I find certain content braindead easy and then berate other players for not learning them as fast as me.

Every single person who plays this game has screwed up and died to an "easy" mechanic at one time or another (even you) because human beings are not perfect.

You can skip some mechanics in the second phase. But you will see them in the last phase again. You don't skip it completely out of the fight.

First paragraph of OP's post...I wasn't talking about the fight phases O.o

[KarstenS]

It is very naive to think you can clear an EX primal first day of release with PF.

Andy the reason is?

With maybe 1 or 2 exceptions, everything in this fight is the same you have done over and over again in earlier battles.

The concern of the OP, people that don't know the fight join clear parties, is a very valid point.

It has nothing to do with day one.

It has nothing to do with PF.

It has nothing to do with elitism.

It has nothing to do with the fight.

It is an issue made by the people that don't understand, what a clear party means, ignoring the fact they are not ready for a clear party or just are looking for a free carry. Nothing else.