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  1. #241
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    The PVP emotes you get are much better to discuss what needs to be done in a fight. You cannot type to randoms about what needs to be done in high action environments. Like in MOBA where pinging is the best way to tell people what is going on, the emotes are a much better way to tell others what is going on.

    Too many times the tank and the melee DPS dive well past your max healing range, putting you as a healer in mortal danger because they are retarded. These emote commands are instantly appearing on my bars when the patch comes up, I took one look at them and was happy with the change .
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  2. #242
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    The PVP emotes you get are much better to discuss what needs to be done in a fight. You cannot type to randoms about what needs to be done in high action environments. Like in MOBA where pinging is the best way to tell people what is going on, the emotes are a much better way to tell others what is going on.

    Too many times the tank and the melee DPS dive well past your max healing range, putting you as a healer in mortal danger because they are retarded. These emote commands are instantly appearing on my bars when the patch comes up, I took one look at them and was happy with the change .
    We missing some commands though and looking through+use so many commands can be very hard for ppl who play with controller since they cant even click on them
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  3. #243
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    Chiramu's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3 View Post
    We missing some commands though and looking through+use so many commands can be very hard for ppl who play with controller since they cant even click on them
    Controller is getting the double hotbar as well or is it already out in game?

    The one emote that I will be spamming is "Pull back". Too many times people get carried away and dive right to the back that forces everyone else to dive with them. The Feast is hectic all the time so emotes are faster to press then grabbing a keyboard and typing when you're dying in game. Frontlines you need to tell people to stop walking forward into range of spellcasters when the nodes aren't even active. Also, with ENG and JP players on my server, I can't type to those people anyway, so emotes are still the way to go for me . It'll be nice to voice my opinions in chat.
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  4. #244
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    Like in MOBA where pinging is the best way to tell people what is going on, the emotes are a much better way to tell others what is going on.
    Only this is not a MOBA.

    We're not talking about a simple interface where you only have 4 commands and an attack button. Jobs in this game have more than 30 hotbar keys each. They're only adding to that mess by putting this function in. It's worse on controller, because you only have 16 available keys per hot bar, so you already have to regularly swap hotbars just to fit all your actions and buffs. Vertical and horizontal hotbars are also non-functional on console, unless you swap to a mouse and keyboard. It's not a terrible idea to add quick chat, but there will be nothing "quick" about it for console players.

    Moreover, the entire purpose of adding this feature is a farce. Supposedly, they wanted eliminate chat abuse, but really they've only changed the form the abuse will take. Instead of derogatory comments in the chat box (which could still be sent after the fact in the open world messaging system), they'll get a dramatic increase in spam using the quick-chat function. MOBA's are a perfect example of this. There have been countless times I've seen quick-chat spam of the same message over and over just because someone was having a bad match. Worse still, a lot of the time those messages are too ambiguous for the player being spammed to even know what they did wrong. That would only be worse in this game, because there is no PvP tutorial. You can quick-chat all you want about purifies, adrenaline rushes, or specific attack/defense targets, but none of that will mean anything to a new player who, just to make things worse, now has no way whatsoever of telling their team that they are new.

    Even for veteran players, these messages are just too limited in what they can communicate. For example, you might be yelling "Pull Back!" as a healer because you're out of mana, but your 3 other teammates might have no idea why you're spamming that instruction, especially if they get tunnel vision while attacking (it happens to everyone). They might just assume you're being a passive player, especially given that a VAST majority of players are cowards who favour a much more timid approach to battle (such as waiting out the clock, even when they have a sizable lead or are consistently out-playing the enemy). It's basically the boy who cried wolf. Once you see a message spammed too many times in chat, you could very well end up ignoring it at a time when it was actually spammed for a very good reason (such as your healer no longer has the resources to sustain their team).

    Nothing about this was well thought out. It might make more sense when 4.0 comes out and SE overhauls our combat system and gives us new game modes, but right now it is a pretty bad decision that could very well lead to an even deader PvP scene than we already have.
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    Last edited by Februs; 01-16-2017 at 07:23 PM.

  5. #245
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    They should have at least waited until season 4 to disable chat. All they did was fk over all the players that started the season late and couldn't build up a substantial point total to sit on and wait for season 3 to finish. I imagine participation in season 4 is gonna dip hard because of this too but I guess time will tell.
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  6. #246
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    TiaHariberux3's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chiramu View Post
    Controller is getting the double hotbar as well or is it already out in game?
    It's not faster and that was never the intention of it. Having 2-4 text chat macros for feast is enough when chat is enabled. Why would I bother clicking lots of commands when I can type real quick "attack X person" or "their melee has lb " etc. Pressing commands are only faster when you can actually hit them instantly which can and Im sure will be a hard. Anyways if I can still mark targets most commands wont ever come to use in the first place.

    For your last point though I guess thats the problem of ppl who go on a jp datacentre but dont speak the language?
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  7. #247
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    Quote Originally Posted by TiaHariberux3 View Post

    For your last point though I guess thats the problem of ppl who go on a jp datacentre but dont speak the language?
    Yes, because I want 300+ ping to join an American server instead... I'm in Australia, what choice do I have?

    Not nice talking to thoughtless people.
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  8. #248
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    This WILL eliminate chat abuse. I'm not a healer, but I'm happy those that are won't have to put up with the trash talk.

    Although, I would have preferred a streamlined, easy-to-use system of reporting and SEVERELY punishing player verbal abuse.

    Those that can't keep their cool and hold their tongue should be tossed out of pvp permanently.
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  9. #249
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    Quote Originally Posted by P4X0R10N View Post
    Those that can't keep their cool and hold their tongue should be tossed out of pvp permanently.
    This should have been the punishment, not a punishment on everyone that plays the game mode.
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  10. #250
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    While I'm at it, I've seen people vote kicked from frontlines by a bunch of @#%*s for not obeying the commands of a few pvp fanatics who think they own the game.

    That garbage needs to be purged from this game as well.

    Westerners ain't got no manners, and this is their comeuppance. I'm happy for the change.
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