Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Niwashi]

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You can cut out the snark and insults. It's really hurting any chance you could have of being taken seriously. People shouldn't need to wade through all that vitriol to find if you had any point buried in there. But I think I found the nearest thing you had to a point here:

"More is just better." More options, more results.Yet, some want just the opposite. The phrase 'To each his own' means to let those who do want it..have it. Those who don't...then just don't utilize it.

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

When I complete my next White Mage quest, I want to be able to wear the iconic set that identifies me as a fully trained White Mage. You're proposing that I should no longer be allowed to do that. Sure, I could wear a robe that coincidentally happens to be white and coincidentally happens to have red triangle trim, but if this request were approved, then it would no longer be a White Mage robe, just another random generic robe that anybody of any class/job could wear.

It's equally true of all other jobs, of course. (I really just picked WHM as my example because its robe is easy to describe.) We're currently allowed to show off our position as a White Mage, or as a Dragoon, or as an Alchemist, or whatever. If all class/job glamour restrictions were removed (even for AF) then we would no longer be able to do that. The visual identity of the different jobs would be lost.

And sure, there are some players who don't really care about that loss. But saying that those who do should lose an entire feature of the game (and of the franchise) just so that those who don't can get a few more random items is most certainly not "To each his own". You can't just "not utilize" a loss of something you're no longer able to do.

[Naunet]

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

I vanished from this thread because the back and forth was getting absolutely ridiculous, but this... just doesn't follow at all. Please don't turn my request into something it absolutely is not. I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme and pretending that I'm asking for that is disingenuous at best.

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

You actually do. You lose the theme behind said gear, you lose the visual effect, you lose the meaning behind said gear, you lose what that piece of gear originally represented. You lose the identity. Anyone that tries to sell it otherwise is being dishonest at the absolute best.

[Niwashi]

I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme and pretending that I'm asking for that is disingenuous at best.

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

You lose the ability to wear job gear if there is no such thing as job gear. The proposal is to keep the gear we currently recognize as job gear but take away its job association and instead make it (at least its appearance, which is all that matters for this purpose anyway) into generic "All Classes" gear. Instead of the Dragoon AF, for example, showing that you're a Dragoon, it would only show that you like spiky stuff. Outfits that can display your job would be a thing of the past.

You're acting like we'd still have gear designed around a job theme, but once the same outfits can be worn equally by any job, there'd really no longer be any such thing as a job theme, at least not visually. So what, we'd be able to wear gear and remember when that style used to be associated with our job? That's a far cry from being able to wear gear that is associated with a job, and which can identify us as being on that job.

(Also, not all the AF gear comes from quests. The i90 sets are available as a trade in from a dungeon drop. I think the AF2 sets are tome purchases. And DoH/DoL AF can be bought off the Market Board. For any of those, you can collect the set for any class/job you feel like, even if you've never even unlocked it, let alone leveled it. Currently, there's no reason to do so, since you'd need the job to be able to use its AF, but with unrestricted glamour, people would.)

[Miste]

Please don't turn my request into something it absolutely is not. I am in NO WAY asking for the removal of jobs or armor sets designed around a particular job theme

You don't lose a feature just because someone can glamour a piece of gear that they got from a quest.

He is not saying that you want the theme gear removed or for SE to cease creating it, he was saying your request removes the feature of 'unique to one job only' gear. If the all gear can be worn/glamoured by all jobs then it removes the feature of having pieces of gear that only one specific job can wear/glamour. It no longer exists so it is therefore lost.

I realize you personally do not care for the feature in question, but that doesn't somehow make it so your suggestion isn't removing anything. You just think it doesn't because you don't like the feature so personally you feel nothing was lost. Factually though? Yeah, something was removed: pieces of gear that are only wearable and glamourable by one job only.

I am not sure how you can argue a fact? It isn't just an opinion or question...something is factually lost by your suggestion even if you don't personally care about what it is that was lost.

[Vaeria]

That might be true, if we were talking about adding more. This thread, however, doesn't suggest adding anything. It's proposing to take away a feature that many people care about in order to use its items elsewhere instead. For people who don't care about job gear and just want a few more generic items, then yes, it represents getting a few more generic items they can use however they'd like. But for people who want job gear, that whole feature would be taken away entirely. And that's a pretty bad trade-off.

When I complete my next White Mage quest, I want to be able to wear the iconic set that identifies me as a fully trained White Mage. You're proposing that I should no longer be allowed to do that.

Can you read Niwashi? Yes, you say? Good! (I had absolute faith you could!) Now that that's been established, lets read the title with this thread together, shall we~ 'PLEASE LIFT GLAM RESTRICTIONS." Contrary to your above statement, yeaaaaaah...that actually does suggest adding stuffs. Cuz like, ya know, when that ol restriction gets lifted, extra options get opened up that weren't previously there. Cool, huh? ...no? /le sigh.

So you think that, by asking for a lift on gear glam restrictions, Im proposing you no longer be allowed to be identified as a certified, bonified, professional, gee golly wiz state-o-the-art whitemage? That because some drg lets the same white robes as you flap in the wind as hes jumping insteada healing, your very ff-ish persona is devalued beyond all hope of salvation, hmmmm?? Heres the thing....gonna say it ooone more time, purely for the sake of saying it one more time: Live...and let live. I couldn't care less if you took said robes, stripped completely nekkie, wrapped them around a lance, went to Uldah...and beat the 1st homeless lala you came across senseless with them. What you choose to do (or not do) with your valued time honored well earned job gear..means less to me than the rocks squished into the patterns on the bottom of my shoe.

"I don't wanna see my precious armor on someone who has no right to wear it."

Why the hell should I have to be subjected to a standard you wanna inflict upon yourself when I couldn't give a crap about the lore? Contrary to what you may think..this isn't a 2-way arguement that goes both ways. By maintaining such a restriction...you get your way...while I suffer. In reverse, by lifting said restriction, you can maintain your traditional love while I get to make cool new designs. You still have 100% access to the pieces of your chosen profession...to be used however you so see fit. Nothing...contrary to your claims...is being 'taken away' from you.

"B-but people will get confused because my great whm-ness will no longer stand out as unique and that nasty drg will take some of mah glory away!" ~~well gee..thats what the "Examine' function is for.


Not speaking about you personally my dear Niwashi...but this has GOT to be, collectively, one of the biggest instances of grossly misplaced sentimentality me has ever come across.

[ErryK]

"I don't wanna see my precious armor on someone who has no right to wear it."

Why the hell should I have to be subjected to a standard you wanna inflict upon yourself when I couldn't give a crap about the lore?

Devs have already spoken on this part anyways. It's most likely not gonna happen, and I understand you couldn't give a crap about the lore, but I believe, the point is, players want to preserve what the devs (the creators, otherwise) already have created.

Also, less salt intake.