Pal is not a DPS tank

[xabyssopelagicx]

In playing through all the content I have which was mostly at 50 and leveling everyone cries about DPS but they don't see all the other things a paladin brings with the kit. Their DPS rotation is mind numbing but that's because to max their potential you would support too. What do a DRK and WAR bring to the table when all the mid primal fights or ultimate abilities when the paladin can be lining up divine veil or casting stone skin to help the healers or saving someone's life. Unless your a world first raid group it doesn't make sense to me.

[mosaicex]

Yeah, PLD can cast a slighty stronger succor every 120 second, after another 2.5 second middle man healing, absolutely amazing. Stoneskin? Guess WHM will have to find new job soon then.

So basically what you are trying to say that whenever someone take PLD into the content it means they didn't trust that the healers would be able to perform their job decently?

Good to know.


At least you didn't say something laughable like how "PLD is a mitigation tank" so I will assume that you actually know what you're talking about.

[Jpec07]

You're right.

Just wanted to say that before everyone else jumped down your throat.

The only measure of success is if you and your group can clear content. Some will say mastery comes with optimizing your damage output, but your group needs to kill the boss to win.

People will also say that encounters aren't designed to really need all of those extra tools that PLD has, and for the most part, they're right--especially in current Savage content, where some of those tools can actually get in healers' way (remember that next time you're racing a WHM's Cure II to cast Clemency on that DRG). But PLD can still be incredibly handy, especially in large DF instances where player capability is not a guarantee.

[dragonseth07]

In playing through all the content I have which was mostly at 50 and leveling everyone cries about DPS but they don't see all the other things a paladin brings with the kit. Their DPS rotation is mind numbing but that's because to max their potential you would support too. What do a DRK and WAR bring to the table when all the mid primal fights or ultimate abilities when the paladin can be lining up divine veil or casting stone skin to help the healers or saving someone's life. Unless your a world first raid group it doesn't make sense to me.

Everyone needs to optimize everything they do in a duty group. Since everyone does DPS, everyone needs to optimize DPS. PLD does have less DPS potential than other tanks, but it can still put out respectable numbers. If you're getting flak, it's not because you're on PLD. It's because your numbers aren't up to snuff.

If we were on the subreddit, I would tell you to install a parser and take a look at the actual numbers you and other tanks put out. Since we're on the official forums, I will 100% tell you not to install a parser that Reddit can help you find info on really easily, and compare your numbers to see what the problem is. Nope. Definitely don't do that.

[hakurou46]

PLD does have less DPS potential than other tanks, but it can still put out respectable numbers. If you're getting flak, it's not because you're on PLD. It's because your numbers aren't up to snuff.

While I agree that PLD DPS is lower than other tanks (since it IS), quite a lot of players bash on PLD for playing PLD over "a real tank". I mained PLD from 2.1 to 3.1. I've got something like 2000 hours on that class. I would know that it's not always about numbers - people just like to bash on it.

[dragonseth07]

While I agree that PLD DPS is lower than other tanks (since it IS), quite a lot of players bash on PLD for playing PLD over "a real tank". I mained PLD from 2.1 to 3.1. I've got something like 2000 hours on that class. I would know that it's not always about numbers - people just like to bash on it.

Fair enough. I haven't experienced that personally, but I believe you that it happens.

[xabyssopelagicx]

Yeah I guess I figured given the community someone would say it's laughable but a goring into two Rabcombos makes it pretty easy to maximize DPS with that class, you still have weaving of ogcd abilities but it's by far the easiest tank wise. People can't complain that paladin is useless when they have some stuff that can really save a wipe. If a DRK and a WAR in the same group were left they couldn't do anything but pray they killed the boss before it killed them. The utility a paladin can bring in that aspect makes the class stand out to me. Just cause you can cast stoneskin doesn't mean you don't need a healer but everyone makes mistakes and being able to save a healer can save a wipe

[Launched]

What do a DRK and WAR bring to the table when all the mid primal fights or ultimate abilities when the paladin can be lining up divine veil or casting stone skin to help the healers or saving someone's life.

Storm's Path and Reprisal+Delirium are better than anything PLD brings.

[The_NPC]

I've never personally got "flack" just for being PLD before but do believe it can happen (I've gotting it for f'n up on mechanics as PLD thou) & personally I find PLD fun as the "sound" from 1 of WAR's main used moves gives me a headache & I couldn't figure out DRK before I f'd up then got chewed out by some rude ppl & gave up on it

the "Utility" of PLD has be helpful & saved my runs many times (Clemency'd the healer from dying to AoE's while they were stunned due to "Jackass boss" choosing them to much, cover+hallowed to cheese mechanics with co-tank in "crunch-time", etc.) just using said "Utility" at proper times & having ppl notice or apreciate it is the hard part (like that 1 time heal's was like "Oh I'm gona die & we'll wipe best give up & eat this sandwitch... wait WTF I ant dead damn u tank I'm eating!"... thou DPS did chew them out for complaining cause it was last boss of Dungeon & they could have just waited till they "Acutually" were dead, even thou 1 was SMN)

[hakurou46]

cover+hallowed

damage packets from cover are not mitigatable by hallowed. but i understand what you mean

Storm's Path and Reprisal+Delirium are better than anything PLD brings.

covering the healer in A9S while they kite mobs is kinda good, and I'm going to argue that Divine Veil would negate about 2,5k damage from an aoe blast these days, and those are most often around 12k at most (so Divine Veil does twice what Path or Reprisal does... but only once every two minutes.)

And that's their main problem. Not that their support kit is missing some vital piece, but that it's just... underpowered by virtue of the other tank classes being able to do similar tricks. And that's hard to balance around without making PLD essential for content.