As a healer, is it my job to DPS? A new perspective.

[Bourne_Endeavor]

You said "many", and that just hasn't been my experience, is all. Our raid WHM, as well as my BF (who is indifferent to the whole thing and doesn't really "get" why it bugs me so much) are WoW veterans. Meanwhile, me, who opposes the current meta, had FFXIV as my first ever MMO.

Sorry, I suppose I read too much into it. It just seemed like a subtle dig at people from the language you used, but you're right, I shouldn't have gotten defensive.

Fair enough. Perhaps I could have worded it a bit better. In my experience, it has been many WoW players or just people from single player games used to setting up one character as "the healer" who dislike DPSing. Granted, I'm more referring to people who won't DPS on principle, not someone like, well, yourself, who dislikes the game design as a whole because it encourages so much healer DPS. Honestly, I'd love for them to emphasizing healing since whenever I do play healer, I want to actually be healing. It's one reason I'm not a huge fan of Scholar.

No worries though!

[Taika]

A little off-topic but I wasnt the one that used a parse to call me a lyer

Well you did write "I was 95% active just healing , not overhealing either", and based on your public numbers, this is simply not true. Maybe you were trying to say that you didn't overheal significantly more than many other Scholars would in that fight, but to be fair that's not what you said. And if someone who isn't familiar with what the activity and overheal numbers usually look like, from reading your post they might get the impression that you actually healed perfectly effectively while using almost all cooldowns it is possible to use in the fight, which is a completely wrong impression. Also, you were the one bringing your own parse numbers up, no one else dug them up from thin air, and they were only used against you if you view estimating what you said based on the public proof as an attack. I did say you're either misreading the numbers or lying because what you actually said can't really be backed up by your numbers.

[Feyona]

Well you did write "I was 95% active just healing , not overhealing either", and based on your public numbers, this is simply not true.your post they might get the impression that you actually healed perfectly effectively while using almost all cooldowns it is possible to use in the fight, numbers up, no one else dug them up from thin air, and they were only used against you if you view estimating what you said based on the public proof as an attack. I did say you're either misreading the numbers or lying because what you actually said can't really be backed up by your numbers.

Maybe because all of my numbers are not up there? I did actually say 'once' as well. I did not say perfectly either, nor do I proffess to be perfectly effective. My point was that Im actively healing.November was quite a while ago, I have learned a few safe windows since then. But tbh Im not that interested in hardcore numbers. Id just like to enjoy the game if its allowed.

[VanilleFang]

Objective discussion? How dare you!

I know right? Blasphemy!

[xJimmehx]

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Yeah.. apparently here, others have the ability to choose your rights and your playstyle for you. What the living hell even is this argument? Im done wasting brain cells here. Its not even a debate.

[Cynfael]

Yeah.. apparently here, others have the ability to choose your rights and your playstyle for you. What the living hell even is this argument? Im done wasting brain cells here. Its not even a debate.

This social justice crusade is what I don't understand. I don't know when it became fashionable to defend the choice to contribute less to a party.

Before anyone starts in yet again about the new player (who is allegedly experiencing abuse around every corner, which allegedly has some correlation to discussions like these, which are read and participated in by the tiniest fraction of the playerbase), virtually every critical comment or suggestion advocating healer DPS has been aimed at players who have the capability and the experience to perform on-par with their party members but choose to do less because they can get away with it. No, "I do what I want" is not a valid excuse in a group context. As I've said before, players who want to enjoy this freedom to the fullest can heal their chocobos as they kill field mobs and not hear a lick of complaint.

As a few other posters have suggested, if DPS and tanks even in casual content are generally expected to remain active (and would be soundly criticized for going idle), why should a healer's choice to avoid maximizing their effective actions be viewed as a question of rights? If I'm partied with an idle healer, regardless of what role I'm playing, I'm more concerned about my "right" not to carry someone who feels like doing less than everyone else.

Playing apologist for shitty healers is not serving anyone's interest. By all means, offer constructive suggestions to inexperienced players or let them figure it out at their own pace, but it does everyone a disservice to suggest that each player is a special snowflake with the rightful expectation of being excused for playing however they wish, regardless of how unfair or otherwise detrimental their lack of effort may be. If they truly wish to exercise that right in a group setting, inevitably the groups will begin to exercise their right to remove offending players.

[Cleftobismal]

Yeah.. apparently here, others have the ability to choose your rights and your playstyle for you. What the living hell even is this argument? Im done wasting brain cells here. Its not even a debate.

This isn't a matter of human rights. A lot of us are complaining because a healer that doesn't dps, is slowing the party down.








I personally as a healer know I exist to support the party.


Me doing nothing but healing is slowing my teammates down. I hold the potential to save my DPS from burning anymore of their resources and skills on petty pulls, and save it when it matters. Healers need to get off their pompous arses and start dpsing when they're under attack. We aren't Disney princesses.

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Screw it



I bet this crap has been said over and over in this 59 ^ and ongoing page thread. So hold yer twitches everybody because I'm about to piss yall off.





Let's have tanks in an expert roulette not do major pulls. And instead just pull only group's of three by three.


Let's not cross class quelling strikes and just have the tank figure it out on how to control the aggro. Who cares if I keep stealing the aggro and causing the party to take more damage. It's the tank's job to control our aggro not mine.


Let's not pull an add off of a healer, he can technically heal himself and be a second tank. He'll be fine and shouldn't complain. As long as he continues to heal himself and us, and doesn't switch into cleric stance. We have absolutely nothing to worry about.


You know what, let the bard play only foe requiem and swiftsong. It's his right to be a dps without having to burden a damage penalty. Sure, if he did use mana/peon song, he'll reduce the downtime our party would have on recovering mana/TP. Thus making the run faster. But hey, it's just an extra kit. And on that logic, he shouldn't have to use Foe Requiem and swiftsong either. Let him do what he want's. It's not his job to support our damage anyways. He just needs to be putting out the deeps.






This.




Debate.





Is.




Over.




I killed it.







Let the thread be put to rest. Let it buurn like this thread has done to my sanity!

[xJimmehx]

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I said im done. Thanks for proving my point and not bothering to engrish. Oh and if you are not doing the absolute highest dps possible for your class(name one person who does and provide evidence), you will gtfo because your slowing the party down and i apparently have a right to make you.

[Cleftobismal]

IIIIIIIII DOOOONT CAAAAARE! WHAT THEEEY'RE GOING! TO SAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAY.

Let it buurn~


Leeet iiiit buuuurn!~

[xJimmehx]

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My point is, it is a matter of rights when you get down to it. Everyone wants and expects like the world owes them something. In all honesty I think this is being blown out of proportion. Its a game. It is being taken way to seriously. If people care so much about healer dps they shouldnt have disputed offical, in game, parsers. It might also be better to just end this thread and ask Yoshida for an official response on the matter because this community will never agree on anything. I apologize if i seemed rude in my above post. I did so intentionally to prove a point.