Stop queuing for PotD if you don't intend to DPS at all.

[Feyona]

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.[/QUOTE] The point is that not everyone understands that some people take your points only that every healer has to dps or they are useless. I also keep saying that not everyone can, even if they try. When I started this game it was my understanding that my job was to heal. It took a while for me to realize that I was supposed to dps. Then I had to learn the safe windows. Not everyone knows what they are supposed to be doing. But others could automatically think that ahealer is lazy if they dont. Its not you but the expectation, that your comments create

[Feyona]

Im stating my points here because I have experienced this intolerace of healers that want to heal. There are too many people on the game that do expect you to dps even when you feel its not safe. I do hope that SE does something to settle this argument once and for all. I'm getting that the guys went in as healers and may have assumed that because their role was healer thats it should be ok to heal. Yes, its noobish but we are all noobs at some point. SE could actually make healers full healers, then there is no confusion for anyone. Dps dps healer heal. You may choose which you want to do. Idont want to be forced to do both.

[MaloraYuki]

This specific post was about PotD tho. Which isn't like a normal dungeon. I get being upset about feeling like you are for lack of better words rejected for your view on healing. Yet with how PotD works what happens if it's a group of healers that all refuse to dps? You don't get anywhere. There is another post about should healers dps or not and I feel your argument belongs there more than on a post about PotD. And I only say that because PotD doesn't work the same as a normal dungeon, your party set up is different.

[Cynfael]

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.

The point is that not everyone understands that some people take your points only that every healer has to dps or they are useless. I also keep saying that not everyone can, even if they try. When I started this game it was my understanding that my job was to heal. It took a while for me to realize that I was supposed to dps. Then I had to learn the safe windows. Not everyone knows what they are supposed to be doing. But others could automatically think that ahealer is lazy if they dont. Its not you but the expectation, that your comments create[/QUOTE]

How are others supposed to know that they can play better if no one bothers to explain to them the how or why of it? Not every player is going to figure this out on their own, especially if they come from games where the healing role is defined almost 100% by healing actions.

I have never claimed that healers are useless for not using their DPS kits, but I continue to claim that they are performing far below their potential if they choose to use only healing actions. This game very demonstrably does not require healers to heal constantly, nor does the game suggest to players that they are expected to use all of their GCDs to heal while healing is not required. We've been over all of this. Exhaustively.

I didn't go into this game already knowing how the healer role worked. I learned through practice and from constructive tips from other players that I could do far more than stand around waiting for party members to take damage. I learned to read the fights and anticipate where and when damage would be taken, and then it became easy and natural to weave DPS actions so that I could continue to help the party. As a new player I found the attitude of "it's okay, don't you worry about being any good yet" or "I wouldn't want to pressure you to do anything that requires more effort" to be frankly patronizing.

Finally, we are getting a little off-topic from PotD, but all of this applies to some degree in all areas of the game. PotD is just a particularly extreme example because of how it can go from zero healing requirement to emergency mode depending on the group and the RNG of the maps, and some players still struggle with that idea.

[Cynfael]

Im stating my points here because I have experienced this intolerace of healers that want to heal. There are too many people on the game that do expect you to dps even when you feel its not safe. I do hope that SE does something to settle this argument once and for all. I'm getting that the guys went in as healers and may have assumed that because their role was healer thats it should be ok to heal. Yes, its noobish but we are all noobs at some point. SE could actually make healers full healers, then there is no confusion for anyone. Dps dps healer heal. You may choose which you want to do. Idont want to be forced to do both.

We've been over all of that again. And again. And again. At what point healing became exclusive of adding DPS I have no idea, but it keeps coming up for absolutely no reason and with nothing to support it.

[Thunda_Cat_SMASH]

I've had two Bards refuse to use Foe Requiem for me because they thought my damage scaled off Piety. Really.

As a BRD: F that! I don't want to be mobbed by every damn monster on the floor cause you're addicted to your parser.

We've been over all of that again. And again. And again. At what point healing became exclusive of adding DPS I have no idea.

In my experience, that's very much the expectation. The other day I entered a12N with my barely eligible WHM and admitted that I had never experienced the content as a WHM, so I didn't know precisely the safe zones for adding dps as the main healer. The AST promptly said they weren't ever gonna exit CS and I was to sink or swim. Partway through the fight several of the dps and the AST started complaining that I wasn't dpsing even though the party was draining my MP much too fast for me to support an aggressive play style, since I had to use my MP tools on CD and I was still sitting at barely a quarter, due to all the damage the party was taking.

[LadyKairi]

If I was kicked out of an instance for not playing someone else's way then they would be reported.

Actually (since no one else pointed it out), last I checked it was not against ToS to kick people for having a difference in playstyles. You can complain and report all you want, but the gms are very unlikely to do anything about your complaint of getting kicked.

[Greedalox]

Actually (since no one else pointed it out), last I checked it was not against ToS to kick people for having a difference in playstyles. You can complain and report all you want, but the gms are very unlikely to do anything about your complaint of getting kicked.

Can second this, it's not considered griefing to vote kick players you disagree with on playstyle. This includes ice mages, WM/GB free BRD/MCH and ZDPS Healers.

Speaking of Ice Mages and WM/GBless BRD/MCH, absolute refusal to DPS as a healer based on your "playstyle" is the equivalent of Black Mages fearing dropping enochian or messing up and running out of mana and being lazy or BRD/MCH who have the fantasy to never fail a cast. Not using tools (or even just attempting) in your kit because "this is muh fantasy" is lazy at best and detrimental at worst.

Dunno why some people try to sugar coat it. If you know the fight, the team is topped off, chipper and happy and are not expecting a tank buster within the next few seconds- then dps a little bit. If not, go back to watching Netflix and glancing back between episodes of Friends.

[BorisDaBlade]

It's my sub, I'll play how I want.

[dragonseth07]

It's my sub, I'll play how I want.

The battle cry of everyone you never want in your party.