Stop queuing for PotD if you don't intend to DPS at all.

[Feyona]

The part that you seem to be missing is that idle healers are a detriment to the party. What they believe doesn't matter.

Time and again, we (collectively, as proponents of active and engaged healer gameplay) have expressly stated that players who are learning how to play healers and/or are learning specific encounters or mechanics are not reasonably expected to stance-dance like pros from the start. Likewise, players who are in the position of having to use more healing actions due to issues with the party and/or an unusually high healing requirement are not expected to DPS to the detriment of healing. .

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

[Rivxkobe]

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

We are not intolerant. Again if someone is learning or trying then fine. But if they are deliberately doing less because they want to they are being inconsiderate and selfish.

[Cynfael]

Some of you still dont get the point that not everyone understands these things. You are creating an environment that is intolerant of others ability to switch. A healer is never a detriment to ateam because they heal, try doing stuff without one

I challenge you to prove how I am creating this intolerant environment. Even if you were somehow able to monitor my gameplay in parties, you would see that I never harass other players over their playstyle "choices" and make suggestions only when they are causing a real problem. Also, if we were to avoid having discussions like these simply for fear of creating an intolerant environment for some participants, we would discuss basically nothing at all.

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.

[Feyona]

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.[/QUOTE] The point is that not everyone understands that some people take your points only that every healer has to dps or they are useless. I also keep saying that not everyone can, even if they try. When I started this game it was my understanding that my job was to heal. It took a while for me to realize that I was supposed to dps. Then I had to learn the safe windows. Not everyone knows what they are supposed to be doing. But others could automatically think that ahealer is lazy if they dont. Its not you but the expectation, that your comments create

[Feyona]

Im stating my points here because I have experienced this intolerace of healers that want to heal. There are too many people on the game that do expect you to dps even when you feel its not safe. I do hope that SE does something to settle this argument once and for all. I'm getting that the guys went in as healers and may have assumed that because their role was healer thats it should be ok to heal. Yes, its noobish but we are all noobs at some point. SE could actually make healers full healers, then there is no confusion for anyone. Dps dps healer heal. You may choose which you want to do. Idont want to be forced to do both.

[MaloraYuki]

This specific post was about PotD tho. Which isn't like a normal dungeon. I get being upset about feeling like you are for lack of better words rejected for your view on healing. Yet with how PotD works what happens if it's a group of healers that all refuse to dps? You don't get anywhere. There is another post about should healers dps or not and I feel your argument belongs there more than on a post about PotD. And I only say that because PotD doesn't work the same as a normal dungeon, your party set up is different.

[Cynfael]

Im stating my points here because I have experienced this intolerace of healers that want to heal. There are too many people on the game that do expect you to dps even when you feel its not safe. I do hope that SE does something to settle this argument once and for all. I'm getting that the guys went in as healers and may have assumed that because their role was healer thats it should be ok to heal. Yes, its noobish but we are all noobs at some point. SE could actually make healers full healers, then there is no confusion for anyone. Dps dps healer heal. You may choose which you want to do. Idont want to be forced to do both.

We've been over all of that again. And again. And again. At what point healing became exclusive of adding DPS I have no idea, but it keeps coming up for absolutely no reason and with nothing to support it.

[Cynfael]

You're demonstrating an impressive ability to ignore points that are presented to you as you continue to dress up and relentlessly attack a strawman. You continue to twist a discussion about what is good for party gameplay into a commentary on bullying and intolerant behavior so that you have a position that is easier to defend.

The point is that not everyone understands that some people take your points only that every healer has to dps or they are useless. I also keep saying that not everyone can, even if they try. When I started this game it was my understanding that my job was to heal. It took a while for me to realize that I was supposed to dps. Then I had to learn the safe windows. Not everyone knows what they are supposed to be doing. But others could automatically think that ahealer is lazy if they dont. Its not you but the expectation, that your comments create[/QUOTE]

How are others supposed to know that they can play better if no one bothers to explain to them the how or why of it? Not every player is going to figure this out on their own, especially if they come from games where the healing role is defined almost 100% by healing actions.

I have never claimed that healers are useless for not using their DPS kits, but I continue to claim that they are performing far below their potential if they choose to use only healing actions. This game very demonstrably does not require healers to heal constantly, nor does the game suggest to players that they are expected to use all of their GCDs to heal while healing is not required. We've been over all of this. Exhaustively.

I didn't go into this game already knowing how the healer role worked. I learned through practice and from constructive tips from other players that I could do far more than stand around waiting for party members to take damage. I learned to read the fights and anticipate where and when damage would be taken, and then it became easy and natural to weave DPS actions so that I could continue to help the party. As a new player I found the attitude of "it's okay, don't you worry about being any good yet" or "I wouldn't want to pressure you to do anything that requires more effort" to be frankly patronizing.

Finally, we are getting a little off-topic from PotD, but all of this applies to some degree in all areas of the game. PotD is just a particularly extreme example because of how it can go from zero healing requirement to emergency mode depending on the group and the RNG of the maps, and some players still struggle with that idea.