Please lift glamour restrictions!

[bswpayton]

Made a mistake because I read what Gemina posted first and thought you did remove it. I already corrected it awhile back though. Wish you did remove it though; it really is rude.

So I,m pretty much done with this thread as well people have stated their claims and their stand points, but I do have a question for you tho about the lore its off topic ,but not really cause I,ve mention it in the thread before but you kinda glossed over it or didn't see it.

But I'm curious of your viewpoint, so as I stated before that this game does zero pretty much absolutely nothing to explain how your character harnesses the skills to master all forms of combat in the game. IF you go from examples of other games , I've never known a ninja that could transformed into a healer or caster on the same character even if it was two different classes it just doesnt happen in other games aside from maybe eso or something of the sort. I come from swtor before this game I couldn't image my jedi knight being able to become a tactical trooper, or a smuggler it would make no sense at all, also same with guild wars 2 I only had the option to pick one class when I played it, and it would make no sense at all to be able to change into a thief or whatever class on my mage on that game. So then I land here ff a franchise I loved growing up as a child I admit I knew nothing about a job type system really, so when I started leveling different jobs on the same character I just viewed them as one thing.


What bothers me so much about this game and the reason why lore just to me is having a good story line, which this game does have a great one, is that from the very beginning why not explain in the lore how you have these amazing abilities. Why is the answer you are the warrior of light good enough for the player base , they could call you the defender of realm, and it have just as much meaning as that name, it explains nothing. It doesn't tie anything together , there is no npc reference to how are why you can just know all of this stuff and its like some hidden secret that you even do all of these jobs on your one character. Where is the lore on this where is the deep story on this, why does no one care that there isn't any when it comes to lore, is it just because you like this game play feature to not have to go back 13 times through the story to play each job is that it basically does it not need its own form of lore?


So this is why I feel the way I do , if you are going to have a specific story tying to how great some piece of gear is, and the history behind that, then where is the story on how great our character is that they have the ability to know all forms of these amazing jobs on just your single created character. People have glossed over this while acknowledging it , so if players can gloss over something that is a major part of the game, how can someone that wants the lore or reason to why my character is the way they are but not get anything at all, then care are about something that is a small part of the game such as a tenth of the gear in the game. Not trolling but you seem to be pretty informed on the game so I honestly would like your reply on this because it really bothers me, but everything else is so great that I still love the game.

[Lilseph]

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Soul Crystals: Upon the surface of this multi-aspected crystal are carved the myriad deeds of (Job) from eras past. People tried to figure their meaning out: here

[bswpayton]

Soul Crystals: Upon the surface of this multi-aspected crystal are carved the myriad deeds of (Job) from eras past. People tried to figure their meaning out: here

This explains the crystals and I do remember each one of these instances, but is there an answer or links other than your the warrior of light so all of these crystals chose you and somehow nobody else in the game knows this because nobody every makes, and reference to how you obtained or was chosen by all 13 of these soul crystals.

That no guild seems to know that you have mastered every other job and treats you like a rookie sprout when you go in and pick a new job instead of someone who is a master of soul crystals. The tying together is what is lacking, for me I understand the history and the lore behind the crystals. But for instance I mention I played swtor everybody knows my great feats if Im jedi knight or a sith lord, but here its like some sort of secret that your character is master of all combat.

That they have mastered the skill to be an amazing healer through nature as a whm, and that you know all the things of astro's methodology with the stars , but then you can go into a more melee type of fighting style as a ninja. You have no boundaries to your abiliities, but yet the game doesnt display this, all the guilds just think your just some common adveunture right off the old block but your much more than that , much more than just the warrior of light. So where is all of that lore, I don't see it anywhere and I know people don't care but just like those whom believe that gear is so special this is just as special if not even more so if you are talkin about just ff 14, but its a horrible miss on the part of the game for the lack of acknowledgement.

[Gemina]

That no guild seems to know that you have mastered every other job and treats you like a rookie sprout when you go in and pick a new job instead of someone who is a master of soul crystals. The tying together is what is lacking, for me I understand the history and the lore behind the crystals. But for instance I mention I played swtor everybody knows my great feats if Im jedi knight or a sith lord, but here its like some sort of secret that your character is master of all combat.

With this post, it is easier to see things from your point of view. I couldn't quite understand where you were coming from, and I see that you take the disciplines you've learned very seriously much like I do our artifact gear. If I understand you correctly, it is like you have no main job, or every job is your main. I get that you are limited from expressing that if this is the case.

I see things a little different though. As you said, you can take a job all the way to 60, complete both ARR and HW, go into a guild you've never been in and they have no clue who you are. You're just some washup trying to join the ranks. The way I see a discipline is it is a life-long commitment, much like the Jedi you brought up. So, taking on another discipline means you let go of the abilities, traits, arms, armor, everything exclusive to the job. The WoL is special in the sense that he/she retains the knowledge of all that is learned through innate abilities like the echo and soulstones acquired. This is why I don't really like the silly glams, and am hugely in favor of diversity and exclusivity amongst the classes.

You have to remember that each class/job has it's own storyline that is completely separate from the MSQ, and the MSQ does not identify you as any particular class/job; along with that, most players consider the job they progress the MSQ with their main, but I can see someone being different and throwing every job there is that is of sufficient level at the storyline, constantly changing. Regardless of the playstyle, the game only recognizes you as one job at any given time though unfortunately. Perhaps when another FF MMO comes out, they will consider the dialogue to change depending on what you have completed but that is some heavy coding.

I know it is of little consolation, but have you tried looking up FF artwork, or tried doing any yourself? Many people express what they would like in-game this way and you might find some interesting combinations of AF gear from like-minded people. There is also cosplay. If the game won't let you express yourself, there are many other ways to do so

[Miste]

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Well I have been playing since 1.0 so I know quite a bit about the game, but most of your questions could only be really answered 100% by the people who made the game; not me unfortunately.

I can give you some ideas about why our character can do what they do though if it helps you out. Sorry if it isn't very helpful; you asked a mouthful xD and again this is just some interpretations. Only the dev/lore team could 100% answer what you are asking.

Our characters are blessed by Hydaelyn, the crystal of life/mother crystal. She basically uses us to dispel evil so extra power is kind of necessary. We also have the Echo which makes us immune to primal influence. In general to make a story like this the character you play usually is special in some way.

It's the typical "Hero" story. Not that the story makes us out to be perfect; we make mistakes, people die, we cannot save everyone, but we are powerful nonetheless otherwise it wouldn't make sense for us to do the things we do. I mean if you compare it to real people...you can be more than one thing. You could be a master chef while also being a master architect. Most of us would have a hard time learning so much, but it is possible. So its not like it makes no sense that you could learn to shoot a bow as a Bard and also learn to swing a sword as a Paladin.

Like Lilseph said our soul crystals kind of explain what they are. They hold the memories of people who were those jobs since eras past. So it holds knowledge about the job and abilities. If you notice when you learn an ability from a quest the knowledge is absorbed by the soul crystal in the cutscene just after....so you could argue that we the characters ourselves aren't the ones learning the abilities/spells. The soul crystal is and we equip it to harness the knowledge of that job.

There are other characters (NPCs) in the game who know knowledge of more than one job. They probably wanted the player character to be apart of the minority of stronger warriors.

There is also the fact that SE might have just wanted to have characters to be able to be all jobs because its different than the norm of other MMOs. It sticks out as something unique to the FF MMOs (FFXI and FFXIV)

Anyway I hoped I helped a little at least. Tried my best to explain reasons why some things are the way they are.

It is a bit off topic though. You could of course argue that well there is nothing that says my BLM cannot equip the WHM gear (besides the labeling on the gear), but it isn't really more of a in-game lore thing. Just more of a tradition since 1987 thing. Like its just a natural part of the FF image since many games have references to how jobs dress.

[ReplicaX]

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FF isn't as Black and White as say SWTOR. There is no real split in this job system based on alliances or something like force powers. BLMs are not evil for example, they really just use the opposite elements of WHM and have different beliefs. Yes, we have some individuals and groups (NPCs/Sects) that abuse power with certain jobs. I don't want to get more job detailed as it does get into spoilers. Just see below.

Playing since 1.0 and also 12 years of XI. I look at the jobs like real life professions or tools of the trade. Individuals can learn and hone skills of multiple professions over time wielding their powers for specific uses and encounters. The official Lore book does go into more details of the jobs history, some of its skills, armor, and weapons. I understand where you are coming from as far as lack of ingame lore. I wish SE did optional side quests with job npcs in some way to cover some of it.

One question I should toss on the lore subforum that I've always wondered (I should search if its already there). Hydaelyn's blessing of light gives us power and with specifically job stones, is it that blessing that favors and advances us in these multiple professions. Some sort of connection with the Lore and having multiple jobs.