Regarding Full Party Premades in Frontline and Patch 3.5

[Vaeria]

Overdue topic and heavily 2-sided.

First off, was it officially stated that GC restrictions were being removed from FL in general? From patch notes..I was simply under the opinion that while you could pf people cross server, they would STILL have to be in the same GC to do FLs with.

Depending on your personal views and experiences, premades, for those who utilize them, are godsends, while, for ones who choose not to/cant, they're a spawn of the devil. Greatly varies. Way I see it?

The #1 reason people use premades....is to gain an edge. Hands down. Every single time I hear that "I just want to enjoy some content with a friend' bs, it invokes a quiet 'Yeeeeah. K." No. You want an advantage. Just be honest lolol. Is that bad? No..who doesn't want one? And its understandable too. You mighta solo qued for the last 4 matches with a team that REFUSES to push, healers who for the love of god and life can't get a cure out to you in time, and 4/8 people decide to go....pld...so they can stun the ice.

Theres also the fact that...contrary to some of the arguements in here, all moral/honorable restraint aside, ignoring objectives in favor of going killmode is P E R F E C T L Y legal. Farming the crap out of a weaker team...is not breaking the rules. Wait....what rules? Is there some code of conduct that we sign stating this is illegal? No. Shameful? Maybe. Dirty tactic, probably. But as long as it doesn't involve a hack...its a legit tactic that increases your teams score (this is also why I support spawncamping as there are ways to counter that too) While these styles of play can easily split a pug in half...a likeminded bloodthirsty premade can execute them quite well.

On the reverse side (and this makes me wanna pull my hair out more than all other points) 8/10 people seem to forget the one most critical point: Premaders...bleed just like everybody else.' Everytime even before the gate opens, you'll get some little p...person who goes "Such-n-such gc is a premade. If they attack, do not engage, let the other team fight them.' Nice. Match hasn't begun yet and you've already encouraged your team to stand up, bend over, and grab their ankles. And the minute we 'get engaged', team splits, runs for its life, and gets owned. This...makes me hate my own teammates more than the premade. Just bad tactics.

Killer Mc'beast already touched on it and I agree though about joining a premade with any consistancy. Myself personally, I got too much of a 'stand alone complex' (GitS woo~) to run with one. Everyone has their own standard/code I guess, but at days end I'll be damned to hear someone say ' you only got x-kills x-dps cuz you had <healer> powerbombing your worthless tush back to life.' Laughable matter of pride ya ya, but after a while, just kinda feel like it'd make me look 'fake', especially if I couldn't pull off those numbers running solo. Theres a crutch factor in there that may start to form lol.

All this being said, at least for now..Im actually against restricting pfing up in FL to just 4 people. For one thing....if premades really DO bother you that much...now you have a much better chance of making one yourself since a much bigger pool to draw from. As well...making a pf'ed premade'll allow for more customizability without stepping on friends toes (ex- I hate getting paired with plds, brds, and blms but have quite a few friends who play said jobs. Being able to draw from multiple servers makes this something I won't have to compromise as much to form up something.)

What else...uh...secure and slaughter matches are now VERY possible. A rep from each gc pfs up and we can get matches going fairly easy. same thing with 8 vs 8s. These will be greatly affected if size is reduced to 4.

So ya~

[SuperZay]

It sucks to lose all the time, yes. But when you are on the other side, in premade... These were the most fun days of my pvp career.

[Nirokun]

It sucks to lose all the time, yes. But when you are on the other side, in premade... These were the most fun days of my pvp career.

I'm a Primal Adder, and we're regarded as the worst GC in our data center. Frequently during the era of Seal Rock, the Mael/Flames premades (or even small coordinated groups with pocket healers) were common. I'm not going to say I was happy about it at the time, especially in the beginning, but I will say that beating them (however rare) was euphoric. Being able to fight them back and kill their highs/fevers as an Adder was absolutely spectacular (SMN in the SMN heyday). Holding down their known players--even if names were hidden--who had pocket healing was exciting, living through amazing burst and keeping their attention (I was WHM with another Adder at the time, against NIN/healer/healer) so they couldn't mow down more of my team, it was amazing.

I could not have had those moments were I on the premade-side. Certainly not at the frequency allowed to us as Adders.

[Vaeria]

I could not have had those moments were I on the premade-side.

Body of a lala, heart of a lion ^_~

Thats exactly the attitude I wish more teammates would adapt instead of the "Oh god itza premade, lets run for our lives."

[NargaHuntress]

yeaaah totally agree with this 100%. i enjoy pvp cuz i find it fun and nothing else. even when losing it could still be fun but honestly after it gets boring as all hell to loose over and over again to the same sheit eating people who do nothing but play in a premade and steam roll my alliance of solo qeuers. Ive tried many times to make a premade of my own with no luck cuz lol its Adamantoise. so im stuck waiting 30mins to loose horribly to SE sucking the dick of imortal flames or sheit eating maelstrom spawn killers. i honestly dont need another reason to not play pvp anymore do i? just make a qeue so other premades can play with only other premades sense most of them claim they want "a challenge"

[Vaeria]

Just got out of a match with 0 healers and 3 tanks (2 plds, 1 drk) With setups like these being normal...anyone who cares about any style of agressive competent play is gonna turn to the pf option when it becomes available lol. When I see 3 smns and 0 heals, I understand that none of em want the responsibility but...if theres now an option to skip having to deal with that mentality..would it make any logical sense NOT to utilize it?

[Mirch]

[Nirokun]

Body of a lala, heart of a lion ^_~

Thats exactly the attitude I wish more teammates would adapt instead of the "Oh god itza premade, lets run for our lives."

Adders: We PVP Hardmode yo.

[TiaHariberux3]

All you do is posting the same gif all the time doesnt it get boring?

[Recaldy]

I'm a Primal Adder, and we're regarded as the worst GC in our data center. Frequently during the era of Seal Rock, the Mael/Flames premades (or even small coordinated groups with pocket healers) were common. I'm not going to say I was happy about it at the time, especially in the beginning, but I will say that beating them (however rare) was euphoric. Being able to fight them back and kill their highs/fevers as an Adder was absolutely spectacular (SMN in the SMN heyday). Holding down their known players--even if names were hidden--who had pocket healing was exciting, living through amazing burst and keeping their attention (I was WHM with another Adder at the time, against NIN/healer/healer) so they couldn't mow down more of my team, it was amazing.

I could not have had those moments were I on the premade-side. Certainly not at the frequency allowed to us as Adders.

This. I was a part of a premade group/ls that would schedule gatherings to que for frontlines and we both lost and won. I stopped playing pretty much before Shatter released because most of the pvp community I was a part of either left server, stopped playing XIV or switched GCs. A have a bunch of games recorded and saved with both great wins and close losses with voip. It's a LOT of fun with premades and gridania needs it most of the time to even have a chance at winning...let alone follow directions from chat.