Tales from Duty Finder: Some make you laugh, some make you cry. Let's vent.

[Taika]

I just did Sohm Al with a mentor BLM who kept moving from ice to fire with Fire 1 (and the other way around) AND using Freeze as a climax of their rotation.

[Sil3ntxR3qui3m]

Isn't the 60 BLM rotation not really up for debate? At all?

I have no idea. I do what makes sense to me.

[Amirya]

Did the Aery last night with my brother, who is levelling his mnk. I decided to take smn, since I wanted a break from healing.

Tank - full ironworks set (and a darklight fending that is ilvl 70). Kept passing on tanking gear drops in the Aery. Kept making huge massive pulls, then ran in circles, so my brother's positionals were fubared. But hey, that's life. Then whenever I would drop a shadowflare...NOPE. Just yank 'em on out of that too (He also had a 60 smn). I was displeased.

Healer - didn't know what stoneskin was, but that was about the extent of my complaint.

I missed my deathflare.

Edit: Holy shit. I found one of those angry dps who doesn't like healers in CS. She spends a majority of the time in Fists of Earth (in DD), confirms that she has Fists of Fire, doesn't answer if my healing is unsatisfactory, then gets mad when I explain why I'm asking. According to her, she knows what the Fists do, she's not dumb. Yet, she can't tell the difference between a male Elezen monk (who asks why the fuck she's doing that) and a female Hyur white mage, and declares, "why nerf your heals and attack alot (sic)?"

Unfortunately, she was right on the last boss. I nerfed my heals and dpsed so much that she died twice - once to standing on top of the tank during all the cleaves, and another to standing in the void pitches during the last phase. Except when I was healing the tank.

[Maddonious]

This happened a few days ago in Gubal HM. The team I was with (drk/whm/drg) seemed like they wanted to be lazy so I spoke up a few times. I asked the healer to start dpsing on bosses instead of healing once and afking for 10 secs till next heal (that irritates me). Throughout the whole dungeon the drk would never put -darkside- on unless it was a boss fight. As a lvl 60 drk with full i260 tome gear this confused me. What also confused me is the Drks mp just never got filled or even above half way with each pull. So near the end I speak up and ask why they didn't use -darkside-. What I got was an apparently "grown man" (more on this later) crying his eyes out and calling me out for being an overbearing asshole and I was not their parent. The only stuff up to this point I said was "healer, stop being lazy and help dps" and "why don't you ever use -darkside- or regen your mp?".

I ask him if he knew how to restore mp on his drk since that seemed to be the main reason why he never used darkside. He promptly tells me to shut up and he "knows what hes doing" with the other players in the party, seemingly part of his inner circle of either fc mates or friends, backing up his claim and that I was being overbearing for asking why he wasn't using a basic stance every drk uses constantly.

I ask again if he knew how to manage his mp and darkside by this point in his journey (cause he should have with how geared he was, granted it could have been from his lvl 60 pld) and he responds with the most ignorant uneducated response I have ever heard fall from a drk mouth......"How do you expect me to have enough mp each pull if I have darkside on". At this point I was blown away by the shear response and had to double take if that's what he actually said. A lvl 60 dark with full i260 gear. I facepalm and proceed to explain that he has 3-5 moves to restore mp. Bloodprice, mp combo, carve and split, sole survivor, and blood weapon. He blows up on me saying once more that I should back off but doesn't respond to my question if he knew what those moves did. I'm only trying to help but at this point the gloves are off. I tell him "If someone doesn't say your doing something wrong then you'll never know".

After the boss he tries to make me feel inferior with a lie so obvious it makes me question how old he was in reality. He goes on a rant. Asks me "How old are you anyway?". I don't respond to it as it has nothing to do with his laziness and aggressive response to me trying to help him.

Then the remark of a lifetime...... "I am watching TV with my wife and 2 kids. I make 180k a year. What do you make huh? Don't tell me how to do my job". WOOOOOW. So his final response to try to make me feel bad was an obviously made up retort trying to make him seem like a man that has his life together but couldn't be bothered to learn a job hes playing or even figure out he has moves to restore his mp. His buddies once again threw in a few remarks about me being a horrible player and I leave with some pity toward his close minded bubble he's living in.

He was the most idiotic tank i've come across that was so set in his ways that any advice I gave made him angry and bitter toward me. That remark with the yearly salary made me cringe so hard cause that has nothing to do with your skill level.

[Erim-Nelhah]

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I can't even...good grief. IDC if you make a million a year, that's no excuse for not even knowing the basics of the job you chose to play.

Anyway, I have a story of my own:

Did a bunch of A9N runs for a bolt in order to get some upgrades. Had a few derp moments, and a couple of times where I caused a wipe. Here's a few gems from the run:

• Had a NIN that wanted to do the countdown timer himself, but who never survived through any of our attempts (I admit I messed up a couple of times there).
• Had a (bonus) DPS on one run. Explained that the adds needed to be killed after having been positioned...so what's he do? He starts grabbing generators and fighting me for the tethers. He finally gets a set, and doesn't position it correctly, so we end up wiping because of the resulting 2-stack clothesline. Had to explain to him that the generators were the OT's job and not to mess with 'em.
• Went in with an FC healer, who didn't know you didn't have to wake up he first gobwalker mob...and not only woke it up but promptly pulled it out of the glowing corner. I hollered at him to bring it back and kill it...we didn't get it dead in time - wipe. He was embarrased, and left the generators alone after that.

And the real capper....went in with another DRK, who decided to MT, and I proceeded to mess up on Faust not once, but twice....then failed to get the next add after Faust the third time around in time. Luckily I did get it, got it dropped in the lava, and the healers were on top of the resulting explosion, but that was embarrasing.

--Erim Nelhah

[aesteval]

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Well, I can't speak on the specific words from the party chat having not seen them myself, but your description of the events does make you seem overbearing. /shrug It also sounds like you may have been rude.

[AutoWhit]

@aesteval -

I was thinking this same thing while reading it.

It could just be me, but whatever. I have noticed a lot of people in here claiming to be trying to help others, but the conversations being said (if they really are are word for word what was said in chat) seem rather rude. I'm not saying people aren't trying to help, but the way they are going about it in chat seems a bit rude and "leetish."

Seriously, if you really are wanting to help people you come across DF, take a step back, pause and collect yourself for a minute, and think about what you are going to say. I don't think a lot of people realize what they type out and think may be nice, could "sound" rude to a lot of people. We don't have the luxury of being face to face, in person, or even in voice comms with random people we meet, so something that "sounds" nice to you may not translate to "nice" to someone else.

[dragonseth07]

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Maybe he wasn't the nicest he could have been. But, he was correct. And that's something that people don't seem to care about anymore when you're talking to them, and it strikes me as very strange.

If I'm playing Overwatch and a huge jerk starts making calls in voice, it doesn't matter if he's a jerk. It matters if his calls are good or not. I'm not going to purposefully ignore his good information because he's mean, because winning and playing well is more important than some petty fight over playing nice.

The goal of a team is to win. It would be nice if everyone was pleasant on the way there, but the goal shouldn't be compromised because they're not.

[AutoWhit]

The goal of a team is to win. It would be nice if everyone was pleasant on the way there, but the goal shouldn't be compromised because they're not.

Wouldn't it be nice if that's how the world really worked. Unfortunately this is not the military, and treating people like that will, 95 times out of 100, get a negative response.

I guarantee you trying to "help" with a positive attitude will get you a positive response most of the time. If you come across as "leetish," rude, or superior be prepared to get a negative response.

[Chocolys]

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When I'm matched with random players, I assume a courteous and respectful attitude to the others and expect the same from them to me. If someone starts being rude or disrepectful to someone else or me, I just go into "ignore mode" regardless of what he's saying, because while socially interacting in a videogame with strangers, for me the form is as important as the substance.

As AutoWhit pointed out, unlike with face to face or with natural voiced language, there is no "expressive natural clues" in a texted message about the intention, so the form is important as to include these missing clues. Sometimes you don't need much, just a simple smiley "" can make a great difference about how a line of text might be perceived.

There is also such thing as unwanted advice, and unless someone is compromising (compromising as causing failures, not as being less efficient as he could be) the success of run, I won't start asking over and over why he's not doing thing better in a different way.
And it works both way, if someone starts complaining continuously about how I play while I'm actively participating and not compromising the run, after I politely made clear I'm not interested about his opinion, then that someone goes into the "ignore list".

To go back on Maddonious's story, yeah the tank was a jerk and I would have stop caring about him as soon as he first said "shut up". I would just go on so I could enjoy both completing the duty and not being in his presence anymore