Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Gemina]

This is my favorite game its my main game but the devs contradict their lore all throughout the game so im not gona act like its some holy code. Oh my healer cant wear an armor piece, but yet the devs provide reindeer suits and santa suits for everyone to wear, if you wana talk about lore then there is no Christmas in this realm according to the lore, but there are Christmas trees all over the zones right now, neither would there be a Halloween but we had pumpkins to.

Thats not lore thats not anything that has to do with the realm but its in the game because its a video game and its meant to be fun. All this well lore says this talk is draining the fun and exploration out of the game, because its not a golden rule it can be changed whenever the people who work on the game want it to change. So if you dont have a problem with people celebrating Christmas on another planet thats not earth, then why on earth would you have a problem with a scholar wearing summoner boots?

With the current system do you know how many other healers I see wearing the samething the dress with the stomach showing is so common, the full dress, and another peice. Its pretty bad

The seasonal attractions are events that represent our own holidays here on Earth in Eorzea. You seem to have a firm understanding of this, but these do not contradict the game's lore. They change the names of entities and places involved to make the events their own. They are added temporarily to the game to provide an enjoyable experience different from what we grind out every day. You are simply dissatisfied with the fact that restrictions prevent you from interchanging your gear from one job to another.

Do you believe your version of fun should be everyone else's, because that is sure what it sounds like? There are enough posters in this thread for you to ascertain that not everyone will be happy with lifting the restrictions, and would actually take away a very fun element of the game for them.

Oh, and are you talking about this look?



Because I specifically chose this look for myself because no one else is wearing these items:

[Naunet]

Do you believe your version of fun should be everyone else's, because that is sure what it sounds like?

She believes her version of fun has zero impact on your version of fun, which is true. If there were no job restrictions on glamouring armor, nothing would stop you from continuing to only glamour robes on casters, leather gear on physical dps, and metal armor on tanks. The only people who want to force their "version of fun" on other folk are the people against lifting the restrictions.

It's clear that it's full-throttle lunacy, and I've made my point.

Way to misconstrue my point entirely. *eyeroll*

In this game, the weapon defines the class. That is not the case for an MMO like Rift. The weapon in FFXIV is also tied to very specific animations, which again is not the case in an MMO like Rift. That's why I brought up WildStar, because it is another MMO with weapons tied to identifying the class with unique animations. FFXIV is more like WS in this regard than Rift, which makes restricting weapon glamour to like-weapons reasonable.

But sure, go on ahead pretending I'm some nutjob.

I really don't get the FF community, it's the first time in my "MMO life" i see players not wanting more options dress their character oO
Guys, you are weird ^^"

Agreed.

I've explained it like twice now, if you still don't understand then I don't know much else to tell you since I've already explained it quite simply. The lore is there you just refuse to acknowledge anything that goes against what you want. You don't have to accept it, but you can't ignore it and pretend it doesn't exist...like you keep trying to do.

It isn't about "illusioning" and "you aren't actually wearing the gear" it is about the fact that FF jobs have specific design styles that only those jobs wear and to have other jobs wear it, be it actually equipped or just "illusioned", is against the lore of how FF jobs are identified.

You are describing a design decision, not lore. There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for the uniforms worn by X ancient job." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for the glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend. Find me a single NPC that mentions glamours cannot work with job gear.

[GMERC]

[...]I'm some nutjob.

You are describing a design decision, not lore. There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for the uniforms worn by X ancient job." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for the glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend. Find me a single NPC that mentions glamours cannot work with job gear.

There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for gear you do not have the level to equip." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend, I just need to hide behind the lack of a literal call-out in lore to something that should be common sense. Find me a single NPC that mentions Thancred is not in fact a fan of My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

[Nirokun]

Way to misconstrue my point entirely. *eyeroll*

In this game, the weapon defines the class. That is not the case for an MMO like Rift. The weapon in FFXIV is also tied to very specific animations, which again is not the case in an MMO like Rift. That's why I brought up WildStar, because it is another MMO with weapons tied to identifying the class with unique animations. FFXIV is more like WS in this regard than Rift, which makes restricting weapon glamour to like-weapons reasonable.

But sure, go on ahead pretending I'm some nutjob.

The weapon defines the class? I get it, but my carpenter's saw-wielding WHM is just using a glamour. It's clearly still a CNJ/WHM staff/wand, just glamoured to look like a carpenter's saw.

I have already stated the animations for my saw already work with WHM skills, because the animations for every existing DoH tool are the same as a PLD's sword as evidenced by change pose with weapon drawn. PLD is able to use their sword and cast white magic, thereby justifying the animations for my carpenter's saw-wielding WHM. Given that it works, you support it, which means you support the lunacy behind it.

You might try and backpedal your way out of this argument you've created, because you don't agree with my example. That's fine, I think it's ridiculous, too. But understand fully that this is the world you're pushing for, and people are justifiably against it.

Just because you can, doesn't mean you should.

[Miste]

You are describing a design decision, not lore. There is still NO LORE that states, "The glamour illusion does not function for the uniforms worn by X ancient job." There is ZERO in-game, lore-based justification for the glamour restrictions. It is a 100% design decision, and given that, it can definitely be subject to critique. I'm not pretending something doesn't exist, because I don't have to pretend. Find me a single NPC that mentions glamours cannot work with job gear.

Well if you want to argue semantics then...

LORE
noun
1.the body of knowledge, especially of a traditional, anecdotal, or popular nature, on a particular subject:
source: http://www.dictionary.com/browse/lore?s=t

Final Fantasy is the subject.

Final Fantasy is a series of games.

FFXIV is part of this series of games.

FF Lore is Final Fantasy Lore which parts of it can encompass all games in the series.

There does not need to be an NPC in the game that says you cannot do something for that something to be part of the lore of the series.

Some Lore is specifically for FFXIV, but it still inherits some lore from the series as a whole. Final Fantasy Lore in general...wanna know some things it inherits? Just a few though because I would be here all day typing...

White Mage job
Black Mage job
Red Mage job
Thief class
Dragoon job
Monk job
Warrior job
Ninja job
The design style of job specific gear
Esuna spell
Protect spell
Thunder spell
Fire spell
Cid character
Biggs character
Wedge character

Lore is a valid reason to keep job specific gear specific to their intended jobs. You just cannot or will not see the big picture, but you can go on believing FFXIV doesn't have lore from the rest of the series because there is no NPC that tells you so in-game...more power to you...even though it is very obvious the game constantly takes things from its series lore to create FFXIV.

You have a point that more options is a good thing; even I like more options (which is why I mentioned opening up the non job specific gear if the majority of people wanted it therefore conceding your point), but I have a point that job specific gear is tied to the series lore and therefore should not have restrictions removed because having some exclusive things and more job identity is also a good thing.

That's pretty much the end of it. You can keep saying the lore doesn't exist but you are just in denial at this point.