Please lift glamour restrictions!

[Nezerius]

This is my favorite game its my main game but the devs contradict their lore all throughout the game so im not gona act like its some holy code. Oh my healer cant wear an armor piece, but yet the devs provide reindeer suits and santa suits for everyone to wear, if you wana talk about lore then there is no Christmas in this realm according to the lore, but there are Christmas trees all over the zones right now, neither would there be a Halloween but we had pumpkins to.

It's funny how you say the devs contradict their lore when your statement on seasonal events contradicts how they are ingame, especially since you can't even get their names right. Starlight Celebration (Christmas) and All Saints Wake (Halloween) are actually part of the lore, like how Starlight Celebration originated from Ishgard/Coerthas near the start of the Dragonsong War, while All Saints Wake is about the saints ascending to the celestial realm of the Twelve, leaving Eorzea temporarily vulnerable to increased amounts of creatures of darkness showing up.

When it comes to the gear obtained from those events, they all have to be tagged as All Classes/Lvl 1 (due to the fact that they'd want everyone to be able to wear it), and their glamour system is likely coded in such a way that it simply allows glamouring of anything that says "All Classes".

While I still think they could lessen the restrictions on glamours (like the crafted skirt I mentioned in a previous reply), job-defining gear should remain exclusive to the job it's part of.

[bswpayton]

It's funny how you say the devs contradict their lore when

Im of both minds give more options are just let us make the options doesnt matter to me because at the end of the day it is just gear and thats all. If I want story if I want lore thats called msq or job quest.

But please answer me this nobody has answered how does what Im suggesting effect you in a dungeon , raid, or whatever kinda content you like to run on the game. Other than your oppositon there is really no reason at all to why it that would drastically change the way you proceed in combat. This idea doesnt effect anything other than people dont like the idea of it.

If lore was so important the devs would stick to their code of forcing u to do msq to get through content but they cut corners with ( introducing a jump potion) to make people happy. If enough people wanted this then those opposers would just have to suck it up just like the people that want it to change now are doing so.

[Vidu]

But please answer me this nobody has answered how does what Im suggesting effect you in a dungeon , raid, or whatever kinda content you like to run on the game. Other than your oppositon there is really no reason at all to why it that would drastically change the way you proceed in combat. This idea doesnt effect anything other than people dont like the idea of it.

It does. The art-team designs those gear thats for one specific class for this one specific class and thats influencing how they're designing it in order to represent that one class best. If you lift the restriction on it thats obviously gone and we will see a lot more of generic armour because after all everyone can wear everything on any job. Look how generic and recycled the shared pieces look already!
Let the art-team design those special gear for one specific job to give them the chance to make it fit that one job really well because its only meant for that one job.

And please... stop using "but we can do silly stuff with [bikini/pig suit/maid costume/event gear/etc.] already!" as an excuse - that stuff is meant to be funny and silly while the real gear isnt (...except for the last SMN-set, maybe). That gear was designd with the idea of it being funny in mind, while artifact gear (or other restricted gear for that matter) was designed with something else in mind.
As flattering as it might be for the design-team that you like certain parts so much you just want to wear them with every class (and yes please, we could use a few more nice shoes/high boots for all classes) I also feel its a bit... disrespectful towards the dev-team to tell them "Because you put this one funny thing in, I demand you to give me everything now!" and not respect that they might have other plans in mind (as in: keeping an eye on job-identity and not letting tanks wear robs or have mages run around in heavy armour)

[Naunet]

I'm hoping that you will draw a line, and understand that people wanting to preserve an otherwise "convincing" fantasy aesthetic actually have a point.

What is convincing about a tank in a swimsuit?

As for your weapon point... You talk like you feel as though you've caught me in a trap, when that couldn't be further from the truth. Honestly, if FFXIV were like Rift in that classes were able to equip more than one type of weapon, I'd be all for lifting weapon restrictions, too. In that game's system, you can use any 2-handed weapon appearance (staff, 2h axe, polearm, 2h mace) on any 2h weapon generally because they use the same animations. Same thing with one-handed weapons (can use any 1h weapon), ranged (guns, bows) and offhands (shields, foci, etc). That's certainly reasonable there, for the reason I mentioned. I would treat this game more like WildStar when it comes to weapons, where you can only use other appearances of the same weapon type - and that's largely due to animations. An esper can only use psyblade skins from the holo-wardrobe, for example. Same concept here, where a ninja would only use dagger skins.

Lore is a perfectly valid reason for keeping job specific gear locked to those jobs.

Except, again, there is no lore that suggests we would be unable to cast a glamour of any job-related gear over the appearance of something else. The lore you're pointing to simply doesn't exist.

There are almost no MMOs with wardrobe systems with neither class or level restrictions. Rift is the only one I am aware of and yeah, the themes of its world are kind of a mess.

And WildStar, and LotRO.

Also, SE shouldn't "coddle" players by removing glamour restrictions.

I'm trying to figure out how that would be coddling, and I'll admit: I have no idea.

It does. The art-team designs those gear thats for one specific class for this one specific class and thats influencing how they're designing it in order to represent that one class best. If you lift the restriction on it thats obviously gone and we will see a lot more of generic armour because after all everyone can wear everything on any job.

You have no reason to assert this. There would be zero reason for SE to change their policy on how they design armor appearances just because people could be free to glamour them as they choose.

[Nestama]

Then again, why would it be ok to wear crafter and gatherer AFs?

We're technically not wearing them. Glamour casts the illusion of wearing the gear... also, we technically can already glamour on Crafter/Gatherer gear sets (take fringeboots, for example. I use those to make "sort of" chaps), just not the class exclusive ones.

[Nezerius]

But please answer me this nobody has answered how does what Im suggesting effect you in a dungeon , raid, or whatever kinda content you like to run on the game. Other than your oppositon there is really no reason at all to why it that would drastically change the way you proceed in combat. This idea doesnt effect anything other than people dont like the idea of it.

This is a pretty boring rebuttal, it can be said about pretty much anything 'for the sake of more options'. Why do you feel like you should be able to wear the iconic WHM AF robe while you're on a DRK? Please think of an answer that doesn't include the seasonal event gear (already addressed that), or something along the lines of 'cause more options is good'.

If lore was so important the devs would stick to their code of forcing u to do msq to get through content but they cut corners with ( introducing a jump potion) to make people happy. If enough people wanted this then those opposers would just have to suck it up just like the people that want it to change now are doing so.

Not being able to wear a WHM AF robe on a DRK isn't really going to affect the amount of new players joining the game. On the other hand, having to finish the ARR, Heavensward and Stormblood MSQ to get to the expansion after that likely will. Lore is important to SE, but so is a steady stream of new players.

[bswpayton]

This is a pretty boring rebuttal, it can be said about pretty much anything 'for the sake of more options'. Why do you feel like you should be able to

It was boring because the only argument is the lore the lore the lore, Iv'e mention several points of horrible lore and just intervention done by the devs to bypass lore and somehow its all justifiable.

All that tells me is people pick and chose what it is they want to believe is lore appropriate. The silly suits like I keep mentioning and tanks being able to wear basically anything they want, o well that's fine its not lore but it was just put in for jokes and laughs. Oh the fact that the game doesnt even connect the job system at all oh thats ok because I like to play all my characters on one so I dont really need an explanation for that (Warrior of Light Ill take that broad statement and run with it).

Skipping 75 percent of the game which is as lore as it gets oh that doesnt matter, we need more players to come to the game ill over look that. A scholar wanting to wear summoner boots when it branches from the same exact class, hah all hell breaks lose no never thats against the lore. If everyone cared about lore as much as they claim they would demand an explanation for the job system to begin with in this very game, but nobody cares about this event tho, its basically aside form msq what the whole game is based on.

All these post have shown me is that people like to disagree with changes to their favorite type of lore not lore itself when it comes to this game. That people will overlook major plot wholes if its to their own convenience or perception.

[Gemina]

This is my favorite game its my main game but the devs contradict their lore all throughout the game so im not gona act like its some holy code. Oh my healer cant wear an armor piece, but yet the devs provide reindeer suits and santa suits for everyone to wear, if you wana talk about lore then there is no Christmas in this realm according to the lore, but there are Christmas trees all over the zones right now, neither would there be a Halloween but we had pumpkins to.

Thats not lore thats not anything that has to do with the realm but its in the game because its a video game and its meant to be fun. All this well lore says this talk is draining the fun and exploration out of the game, because its not a golden rule it can be changed whenever the people who work on the game want it to change. So if you dont have a problem with people celebrating Christmas on another planet thats not earth, then why on earth would you have a problem with a scholar wearing summoner boots?

With the current system do you know how many other healers I see wearing the samething the dress with the stomach showing is so common, the full dress, and another peice. Its pretty bad

The seasonal attractions are events that represent our own holidays here on Earth in Eorzea. You seem to have a firm understanding of this, but these do not contradict the game's lore. They change the names of entities and places involved to make the events their own. They are added temporarily to the game to provide an enjoyable experience different from what we grind out every day. You are simply dissatisfied with the fact that restrictions prevent you from interchanging your gear from one job to another.

Do you believe your version of fun should be everyone else's, because that is sure what it sounds like? There are enough posters in this thread for you to ascertain that not everyone will be happy with lifting the restrictions, and would actually take away a very fun element of the game for them.

Oh, and are you talking about this look?



Because I specifically chose this look for myself because no one else is wearing these items:

[ErryK]

If lore was so important the devs would stick to their code of forcing u to do msq to get through content but they cut corners with ( introducing a jump potion) to make people happy.

As if that argument had any substance... if they really didn't care about the lore, they'd start people at Lv60 and remove any inkling of MSQ from the game. Don't even go there because players still have the option of going through MSQ. Also, what does MSQ have to do with it when there's approximately 13~ eras prior to our current one that is considered part of lore?

[Assirra]

If lore was so important the devs would stick to their code of forcing u to do msq to get through content but they cut corners with ( introducing a jump potion) to make people happy. If enough people wanted this then those opposers would just have to suck it up just like the people that want it to change now are doing so.

Is seriously every single idea that does not work for some reason going to be bounced back to the whole jump potion nonsense?