To Players in Denial the msq for Arr isnt that long SE is just makin a Business Move!

[bswpayton]

This jump potion business is really throwing me off, on the one hand we have players totally agaisnt it and I totally get where they are coming from. On the other hand we have other players claiming that the story is to long and it takes to long to get to endgame.

My question is are we playing the same game I'm not tryin to troll are be vindictive but seriously. The only way to not progress in msq is to purposely go out of your way not to do it. And I know this because I did it myself I milked the msq quest for Arr for four months because that was my preferred play style. But for your average newer player it doesnt even take a month to finish 2 years worth of msq. So your telling me a month is to long ha that's like one month of subscription. Players have a guide full of mentors in the nn to guide them through the whole course of Arr story. They have players to help run them through dungeons, to help them with gear, in some cases help them with gil also.

Its so easy if someone just simply played one job and leveled up for their cross class skill it still wouldn't take more than a months time, one would have to literally do everything else you could do other than msq to actually take longer than that. So why not just be honest about whats happening here SE is being a business simple and plain, jump potion opens the door for extra money in the cash shop and still being able to be a subscription based game. Are the msq tedious yes sure , but its suppose to be a time sync its suppose to take time but even then new players can condense this game hw included into gettin up to patch 3.5 within a month in a half with ease.

So is it just easier to believe that the msq is just so long that its so hard for new players, or is it just easy to be real and just admit that the game is tryin to stay competitive with all these f2p games. Because frankly they are doing better financially , I want this game to thrive,because it is an amazing game with great people that play it if a jump potion purchase from new players can help boast that then Im all for it. But I'm not gona act like its because the msq is to long to do , and takes 6 months to a year to do these days, cause its not even a quarter of that time. Its sad to say but you look up any thing about top grossing mmos and you wont find ff 14 on any list, and that really sucks. Maybe this is just a move for them to get a piece of that financial pie which hopefully if they do will bring more content for us in the end.

[LunaFaye]

It's not about the length of the MSQ's, it's the way that they are handled. While I do agree that the MSQ for new players (never touched the game prior) might take 1 to 2 months nowadays, veterans making alts on different servers etc, takes only 4 days if you know what you're doing.

In fact it takes only 7 days for a veteran player to do the whole ARR and HW content unlock (raid and extreme primals excluded), if you're playing more than 2 hrs a day.

However the story line of ARR while it goes quicker especially with the boosted exp than 2 years ago, still takes for an experienced player (2.55 - 3.0 itself, with more than 2 hrs a day of playtime) around 2 days just to finish that. And while most cut scenes are skip able, there's a couple of them that can't be skipped or make you run for 4 hrs straight from NPC A to B, back to D and all the way to Z. Even with a mount it's still a waste of time, especially if you're not interested in the story itself.

So my opinion is that, while I do agree with you on some terms, I can see how for a new player or even a veteran player this can be tedious and boring having to go through all this hassle just to enjoy the new expansion or to play with friends. While I am not against the leveling or msq skipping potions, I think SE could have changed the way MSQ is being handled and make some changes to that. But who I am to tell, at the end of day, they need to support their business model and as long as it doesn't turn out to be as bad as most f2p mmo's then there's a lot I personally can ignore or tolerate. Nobody forces me to buy these potions and it doesn't make any changes to my own personal play style.

[Aamalthea]

My question is, why does this matter? So some people think the msq is long. Some don't. SE is making it so that those who think it is long won't have to suffer. Those who think it's fine are free to not get them.

This is so non issue and I really do not understand why there's 10 different threads about it.

The sky isn't falling people.

[Gardthorne]

So your telling me a month is to long ha that's like one month of subscription.

No rational human being is going to force themselves to spend a month doing something they hate in the hopes they might like what comes afterward. Players that like the story aren't asking to skip it. You're not going to convince players that have no interest in the story that it's so good and they should ~experience it~. If the game hopes to survive long-term there needs to be minimum gating on current content. The players that want to experience the old content will go ahead and do that. The more you force a new player to do, the more of a turn-off the entire experience is in general. The market is saturated. They'll just find another game that does things better.

[bswpayton]

It's not .

I would of liked to of seen a reworking of some of the gating in this game especially in hw with the fly currents. But just reworking and tweaking probably wont make them as much money as the level potions would, and also I do believe that by introducing this potion that once the community gets use to it I dont really see them stopping there either.

After all why would they if as people claim this game follows in wows footsteps I dont play wow prob never will who knows, but wow makes like hundreds of millions of dollars a year. I think even a game like I use to play swtor does really well as well another game with a subscription of sorts and they have all types of stuff in their cash shop so I don't really see SE stopping with just these potions over time I could be wrong, but what reason would they have not to add more things if you can already skip story and leveling.

[bswpayton]

My question is, why does this matter? So some people think the msq is long. Some don't. SE is making it so that those who think it is long won't

The sky isn't falling people.

But Im not even questioning the jump potion I'm asking people whats wrong with saying the words ok, SE wants to take a step into this type market instead of blaming it on the msq. I actually say it doesnt bother me at all , what Im sayin is the writing is on the wall that this is a cash grab and Im ok with that so , why blame it on the story being to long and just be realistic that this is a new way of doing business for the company when they release them. I just don't see the logic in blaming things on the msq is all Im saying, not that Im agaisnt the jump potion, I just dont like the blame being placed on the story content in the game.

[Yeol]

I'd like to remind people that in order to buy any of the story or level jump potions you must have an active account with subscription.
Meaning the players have gone though few days of trail and have seen the MSQ. Now it is up to them whether they want to keep doing the MSQ or skip it.

On average it would take 1 month to finish ARR and 2 weeks to finish HW. That is 44 days, which is not so bad.

44 days might not sound much to some. But remember this, you are playing and leveling 1 job while doing the MSQ only. That is how you spent your 44 days.
Not leveling other jobs no side quests not unlocking anything optional. Just MSQ with 1 job for 44 days.

If a player gets bored and feeling that he is forced to go though this, it will be bad for their business.

[Awful]

I have friends who want to raid and do end game but they can't power through the story so it bored them and they quit. Jump potion has caught their eye and they're gonna play again when it comes out which I'm totally fine with. They like the game, combat, classes but hate the story, I told them it was a story driven game they hit 30 and stopped. For me it'll be nice to have my IRL friends come back for what they enjoy (raiding, PvP, extremes) so for me the jump potion is fine if people want to enjoy those aspects of the game.

[bswpayton]

I have friends who .

What are they gona do when they have to do storm blood story, if their patients isnt vary tolerant of msq? Because Im really hoping that its a lot of story in storm blood and they don't do a trend of just slashing and cutting the story each exp because people say that its to long.

When they come back Alexander will be dead for those raids, and they would still have to do the whole msq for storm blood to get to the next set of raids and stuff so they would still have to do the same exact sort of power leveling. Like I said I'm with the game on the business move, but the players that say the story is to long I just cant follow this logic personally but everyone is entitled to their opinion, but I just hope that It doesn't effect those whom enjoy the story ,by SE taking a step back from long msq because people claim that its to long.

[Awful]

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You missed the point where I said they like X things about the game they don't care about story but we'll be playing again together since I was 60 last time they picked up the game. As for raiding you think I care or they'd care about Alexander in 4.0? It's about later down the road not raiding right now, yes the story isn't that big of a hindrance but for people who just wanna dive in with friends I get it. I personally enjoy the story I don't want it getting cut but I also wanna enjoy lvling with my friends. Jump potions are coming out it's not the end of the world for story you're just being over dramatic.

As for doing MSQ yeah they know they have to do it but this time it's not 1-70 which for them is great. Do I care? No I just wanna have fun and have more people enjoy the game and have more people to do stuff with because I don't wanna force friends into something they don't wanna do. Which is exactly how I felt seeing them try different classes being bored with story when they just wanna jump in.

But now they can and it's fine that they wanna play this way WoW does it and ffxiv is doing it now too if you wanna catch up with friends there shouldn't be a big ordeal over it it's not your money.