Jump Potions: good or bad for new tanks/DPS/healers?

[Madepossible]

Just wondering if this will affect the performance of the majority of new players or player who just started tanking. What do you all think? Should jump Potions be implemented or should a player just learn it's job during the leveling process? I mean correct me if I'm wrong but after playing potd, I've seen a lot of bad healers, DPS, tanks that have no clue what to do. For example a warrior who keeps flashing while not in defiance Or Deliverance for that matter, or a healer just in cleric stance trying to heal the dps and complains why he/she is healing so bad. DPS that just use the wrong rotation lol I mean the point is: if jump potions are allowed, what will that mean for the new seeds of Eorzea? Will it be a circus during dungeons?

[bswpayton]

Just wondering

I think with how the player base consumes content , that it really isn't going to matter the older content gets the more likely that said new players will get carried by unsyncing are speed running content. Every dungeon any trail will all be open to unsync after the next exp comes out, and thats exactly what will happen and Im sure that msq exp will prob be boasted also.

So in a sense a fair amount I'm sure will already be skipping content, once stuff becomes older its not as important to learn how it works so I think that after a few suggestions are few bad runs said bad healers are tanks will get the picture and at least learn the basics to function in a dungeon. But for harder content that will come I don't think they would have been prepared for that due to the examples of harder content before storm blood becoming irrelevant at that point and they would of never had experience practicing on harder content.

[WeekendSoja]

I will probably see no difference, these potions aren't even out and I run into my fair share of under-performers in DF for roulettes as is.

The people willing to pay the money for this service are usually the people who want to do some serious work though.

The regular casual will think it's a waste of money and will probably opt for regular progression.

There are exceptions to this but I am not worried, I just hope this brings in enough ROI to affect the games ROA so at the annual appropriations meeting ff will get more funds to continue developing.

[dragonseth07]

I said it once and I'll say it again:

If someone cares to learn to play, they will go out of their way to learn. A jump won't change that. If someone doesn't care to learn, they won't learn regardless. A jump won't change that. So, at the end, it will change nothing.

[magnanimousCynic]

I said it once and I'll say it again:

If someone cares to learn to play, they will go out of their way to learn. A jump won't change that. If someone doesn't care to learn, they won't learn regardless. A jump won't change that. So, at the end, it will change nothing.

People need to realise this. Just because someone did every Main Story Quest, a majority being faceroll difficulty, doesn't make them good at the game. And for the argument of skipping the story, if they're interested enough they can just look it up online.

[Urthdigger]

Whether or not they implement this, I really feel there should be MANDATORY content that teaches you the important mechanics of your class. Like if class/job quests were required to level further and actually tested you on the abilities you've gained since the last one (or the previous/current ability post-50). As it is, a depressing number of people don't learn their jobs anyway.

[magnanimousCynic]

Whether or not they implement this, I really feel there should be MANDATORY content that teaches you the important mechanics of your class. Like if class/job quests were required to level further and actually tested you on the abilities you've gained since the last one (or the previous/current ability post-50). As it is, a depressing number of people don't learn their jobs anyway.

Which is why they'd implement a Hall of the Intermediate along with the Jump Potions. WoW has a similar thing where they teach you a basic rotation on a dummy and then a scripted fight that semi tests you. It could also include a version for people not using the Jump Potion like what you suggested.

I'm not 100% sure how they'll handle it since SE has historically stayed away from telling people what the 'right' rotation is for their job. We saw that happen at the start of 3.0 and everyone thought MCH was crap, but the devs said otherwise according to their data and didn't show us their numbers. It also doesn't help that reporting for differences in game style is vague enough to be used for things that you wouldn't report for.

[Rongway]

I'm not 100% sure how they'll handle it since SE has historically stayed away from telling people what the 'right' rotation is for their job.

I'm picturing something like the last Hall of the Novice mission but on a slightly grander scale; where you have a computer-controlled light party that has to clear two groups of trash, and then a boss with a role-specific objective. They wouldn't have to spell out or require specific rotations, but if the objectives are something like

(Tank) Defeat the boss without any party members getting hit.
(Healer) Defeat the boss without any party members getting KOed.
(DD) Defeat the boss before time expires.

whether a tank player accomplishes the goal exclusively by enmity combos or by using expert-level damage rotations; or whether a healer just keeps everyone alive or casts offensive spells to shorten the encounter.

[FinalWolf]

You will a lot more ppl having no clue their doing this is the reality.

[magnanimousCynic]

You will a lot more ppl having no clue their doing this is the reality.

And how is that different from the current people in expert roulette or 24 man raids having no idea on what their rotation is? I've already gave the suggestion of implementing a 2nd tier of the Hall of Novice for players who use the Jump Potion. Just flat out rejecting something due to a byproduct of some people not being good (news alert, story doesn't make you a good player) is just paranoia.