Should Cleric Stance be disabled in party instances?

[Cynfael]

Sometimes you guys talk like healing is unnecessary on its own. It is not being selfish or lazy when you find playing two roles simultaniously too difficult.The fact that it is more and more expected when its not understood that only the more skilled that can do it well in current content that is the problem

- Please see one of many other posts where I and others have specifically acknowledged that players who are trying to learn the role should not be pressured to meet instantly the expectation applied to more skilled, experienced players. The majority of complaints are leveled against players who refrain from contributing DPS due either to a misguided notion that it's not part of their Job or a selfish reluctance to go beyond the bare minimum gameplay required to stay alive. I'm not sure how many different ways I need to say the exact same things before the overall message is understood. It's possible that the disconnect just can't be bridged, I guess.

-No one has suggested that healing is unnecessary. However, healing beyond what an encounter requires is completely unnecessary, which is why players who are learning should be trying to improve their efficiency of healing, which frees up their time and resources to support the group effort in other ways (usually this means putting those DPS skills to good use).

-And, for perhaps the third, fourth, or twelfth time in this same conversation, the Healer role is more complex than simply healing. It is not performing two roles simultaneously if you are both healing and attacking in the same encounter.

In the end, players who truly want to pretend that using their DPS abilities as healer is unnecessary and unreasonable are welcome to run out into the field by themselves, summon their chocobos, and stand around healing them while they slowly kill mobs. Perhaps this experience will give them some insight into the opposing viewpoint.

[HoodRat]

Idk how true this is for everyone but I've often noticed that when people claim they can't find times to dps because they have to heal so much, their overhealing percentage is absurdly high.

[Rennies]

Idk how true this is for everyone but I've often noticed that when people claim they can't find times to dps because they have to heal so much, their overhealing percentage is absurdly high.

Yup, they always think that two Cure IIs are necessary when a Regen would've done more than enough to keep the tank alive. People need to learn to heal efficiently before Cleric Stance dancing is possible. A lot refuse to do that though.

[magnanimousCynic]

Yup, they always think that two Cure IIs are necessary when a Regen would've done more than enough to keep the tank alive. People need to learn to heal efficiently before Cleric Stance dancing is possible. A lot refuse to do that though.

I can't count the number of times I see a WHM cast Medica II and then follow up with Medica I, not allowing the HoT to do any work. Talk about wasted MP.

Though I'll admit to doing it sometimes when everyone's health gets low suddenly. >.>

[Rennies]

Meh, it's forgivable to overheal like crazy if you see a ton of damage you didn't prepare for. The issue is when people spend the entire run without allowing any of their spells to do more than 20% of their potential =.=''

[Cynfael]

Yup, they always think that two Cure IIs are necessary when a Regen would've done more than enough to keep the tank alive. People need to learn to heal efficiently before Cleric Stance dancing is possible. A lot refuse to do that though.

These are the players who think that the object of the game from a healer's perspective is to keep all players' HP bars at 100% at all times and that overhealing is just more of a good thing. Why settle for a Regen when Cure II spam produces big numbers and makes it look on the player's screen as if they're doing something important, I guess. God forbid they heal reasonably, allow regens and mitigation to do their work, and take advantage of the time between heal casts to hit something.

Maybe there should be low-level quests where you fail if you restore excessive HP to the target so that new players don't learn this bad habit.

[AmeliaVerves]

Maybe dps need to get 'more skilled' as well.

I agree with you, but in a completely different context.
A good DPS uses his utility in the right moment and a proper way to support the group and espacially the healer so the healer has more off time in which he can (maybe, if the situation and mana management allows, which it does almost most of the time in regular dungeons) switch in CS and help the group and himself even more by contributing damage and making the enemy die faster.
By the way does a good amount of healer dps is just another way of mitigating damage, because a quick dying enemy deals less damage than the ones living for minutes, right?

BUT, on the one hand I am sorry for you and the bad experiences you made by people being ignorant, on the other hand you are Scholar as it seems and I have to mention that you are by far the healer with the most dps potency just because of your fairy. Eos has such a high healing potency herself and is not affected by CS that you can stay way longer in the stance than any other healer. Not to mention that your DoTs are super effective and you just need to switch into CS to apply them and then jump out again.

[Hayward]

So you actually think it is okay for 1 player to be dead weight? Alright.

Seems weird that it's only okay if it's the healer though.

Save seals, people. Club talking points like this instead, along with the odious "overhealing" canard.

[dragonseth07]

Save seals, people. Club talking points like this instead, along with the odious "overhealing" canard.

Uh... Overhealing is a real thing, and not a good one. Not sure what you're going off on here.

[VanilleFang]

Save seals, people. Club talking points like this instead, along with the odious "overhealing" canard.

Uh... what?