Why people hate bard using songs?

[Gumbercules]

pfft if there's a healer in grp i usually toss foes out anyways :P and well there's always healer in the grp XD

hadn't thought about the BLM rotation thing before... >: )

[Llus]

I don't know why there is lots of people who don't want bards useing songs to replenish party members MP and TP when needed and because of this i might stop playing as bard completely when no one don't want bards using songs when needed.

Also if you guys think this is stupid thread then report me so i get banned that i can't never post threads here.

Please use your songs. Foe Req for magic users especially during their bursts, Paeon between trash pulls to get everone's TP back up and ballad when healers need the help. That's part of your job as a support DPS and what you chose to do. If your party members don't want you singing, they don't know your role or you may have been playing at an inopportune time. I commend bards that sing rather than straight DPS. That's their role, same with MCH. DPS like mad, but sing when needed.

[Mimilu]

pfft if there's a healer in grp i usually toss foes out anyways :P and well there's always healer in the grp XD

hadn't thought about the BLM rotation thing before... >: )

I only will IF I see the healer DPSing.
I wonder if increasing the Healer's DPS outweighs decreasing our though... >x>

[HyoMinPark]

I only will IF I see the healer DPSing.
I wonder if increasing the Healer's DPS outweighs decreasing our though... >x>

Foe Requiem doesn't decrease BRD DPS. Only Army's and Mage's does. :3

[ChiiSoSeriouz]

Esuna + resist Song. Ha ha, outside of some very basic debuffs, this is downright insulting for a job to have for its level 50-60 arsenal. Any and all status ailments that actually matter cannot be cleaned! Not to mention that healers that know what they are doing should have no problem with cleansing and healing. We get more use out of this by using it on warriors' pacification than anything else!

Should be used on the warrior's pacification.

I only will IF I see the healer DPSing.
I wonder if increasing the Healer's DPS outweighs decreasing our though... >x>

Foe doesn't decrease your dps, theres no reason to not play it, healers count as casters too.

[Greedalox]

I don't think people hate you singing songs, I think people don't like you singing the wrong song at the wrong time or for no reason?

I've never had a healer running on fumes complain about getting mana, or SMN/BLM not appreciating Foes?

[HyoMinPark]

Should be used on the warrior's pacification

Want to also add that Warden's has saved my butt MANY times when the healer can't be bothered to Esuna a debuff off of me. I will also throw it on another party member if I see that they catch a debuff, or on a healer if they end up silenced (pretty useful in PotD with the Silence/Pacification traps...if the game is nice and removes the correct debuff, that is ;3).

So, the poster you quoted was wrong in saying that it's a useless skill and that bards should be insulted having it in their arsenal. I'm actually quite fond of it.

To the OP: You should always use your songs when they are needed. If people get "offended" or "upset" about you singing, kindly remind them that you are a BARD and it is your job AS A SUPPORT DPS to support the party.

That being said, there are still instances where you will need to use your songs. And you should always use them. 10% decrease in DPS is still a decrease, yes, but not singing means your not doing your job as a bard. And you shouldn't have to leave Mage's/Army's up for extended periods of time anyways.

Foe Requiem: use ALWAYS when you have a caster in the party, or when you see a healer contributing to DPS. I recommend playing it for bosses and large trash pulls. If the tank is only pulling small packs that will melt pretty quickly, there isn't a huge need to play it. Save your MP for the boss. But for large Big Daddy pulls, the extra debuff certainly helps make them melt faster. Don't leave it on between pulls though; you will pull mobs with it.

Mage's Ballad: if you see a healer struggling with MP, pop Mage's quickly to help them out. Especially if you don't see them pop any MP regens to help themselves. Also, if a healer dies and is raised, a few seconds of Mage's can help give them back enough MP to get back on their feet again.

Army's Paeon: not many instances where I've had to use this one, but could be useful for a melee DPS if they died and were raised. Just to give them an extra boost. Most melee cross-class Invigorate, and can handle their own TP. But if you see them sitting at 0-100 TP, and NOT popping Invigorate, sing a little to help them out.

Warden's Paeon: useful for cleansing a WAR's Berserk pacification, AND also useful for saving your own skin from debuffs. Don't let people tell you it's a useless skill, because it isn't. Can also be used on fellow party members to either help out a healer, or if you see a healer just ignoring debuffs/forgetting what Esuna/Leeches/Exhalted Detriment does. I've encountered plenty of healers that seem to forget that one basic skill.


I know you mention (and some others did as well) playing between pulls. Usually, the out-of-battle MP/TP regen ticks are more than sufficient to regenerate resources between pulls. Unless you've got a DPS sitting at near 0 or a healer nearly OOM. By all means, sing to help them regenerate faster, but it shouldn't be necessary to sing between every pull.

[Rongway]

I often have to ask BRDs not to sing Ballad when I'm healing. If I have Luminiferous Aether or Shroud of Saints with less than 5 sec remaining on the cooldown, I'll purposely blow all my MP on Gravity or Holy til I'm down to two digits. For those times, Foe Requiem is a far better song to sing than Ballad. If there are six targets, Holy/Gravity is 900 potency -- this is almost the same as two BLMs casting Fire IV at the same time.

In general, if your healer is the sort to cast an absurd number of damage spells, he's not the sort to let his MP get low with no way to self replenish it. Save the Ballads for parties with multiple deaths, or for breaks in a long boss fight when you can't attack anything anyway.

[Yeol]

BRD song are very useful at endgame and while learning new content.

TP: A9S (Any long fight with no breaks).
MP: Any new fight because there will be lots of deaths and healers will be over healing.
Foe: Any fight. (Your healers will benefit form this too).

If you want to sing in dungeons/trials here are tips:
TP: Between pulls if you see dps/tank low at TP.
MP: Between pulls if you see your WHM/AST spamming Holy/Gravity. Also when one of the healers die.
Foe: At bosses and large pulls.

[Canadane]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Bards give me (War) The Warden's Paean at the start of a pull.
I can't think of a great use for it other than stopping Berserk's Pacify, but that isn't even used until a number of GCDs into a pull.