Why people hate bard using songs?

[Yeol]

BRD song are very useful at endgame and while learning new content.

TP: A9S (Any long fight with no breaks).
MP: Any new fight because there will be lots of deaths and healers will be over healing.
Foe: Any fight. (Your healers will benefit form this too).

If you want to sing in dungeons/trials here are tips:
TP: Between pulls if you see dps/tank low at TP.
MP: Between pulls if you see your WHM/AST spamming Holy/Gravity. Also when one of the healers die.
Foe: At bosses and large pulls.

[Canadane]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Bards give me (War) The Warden's Paean at the start of a pull.
I can't think of a great use for it other than stopping Berserk's Pacify, but that isn't even used until a number of GCDs into a pull.

[HyoMinPark]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Bards give me (War) The Warden's Paean at the start of a pull.
I can't think of a great use for it other than stopping Berserk's Pacify, but that isn't even used until a number of GCDs into a pull.

Warden's lasts for 30 seconds, but I personally don't throw it on a WAR pre pull. I ether watch for them to use Berserk, wait for the incessant and annoying macro spam that alerts me every five seconds of their impending pacification, or, if I'm running with someone in the FC, just toss it on them when they tell me "Warden's please." Unless you open with Berserk, not much reason to throw it on pre-pull or at pull, but I suppose they're just trying to be helpful.

[AlexanderTheHair]

I'm still trying to figure out why so many Bards give me (War) The Warden's Paean at the start of a pull.
I can't think of a great use for it other than stopping Berserk's Pacify, but that isn't even used until a number of GCDs into a pull.

Pre-pull is from when it had an actual cast time the old opener was precast wardens->precast foes->buffs into pull, you ccould safely use it on the warrior at the start because if the warrior is pulling or there is a ninja the warrior should be using berserk 2 gcds in (right before eye).

Now you don't have to worry about precasting it since it's instant ogcd but for things like expert they are probably assuming you're going to do the pulling opener so they just throw it on. I've noticed while using my warrior some bards like to just use it off cooldown, they will catch all of the berserks if used off cd by doing that and then they don't have to worry about trying to watch the warrior

[Maero]

Ninja also benefits from Foe Requiem, not as much as casters mind you

[vp_cmc]

Sometimes healers ask for mp turret (you have to summon other turret and then press "promotion". It takes some time, and you're not dpsing while doing this) and 5 seconds later say "ok, now I don't need it, thanks"... It's slightly easier for brd in this case, but for mch my turret is even still on CD. And for some reason this often happens when Hypercharge is ready to be used (and it gets delayed, that throws off all cd timings synergy).

[ShaneDawn]

Is there a time and place for all songs? Yes. Should MP/TP songs be sang outside necessity? No.


Most of the time, people are expecting you to sing Foe's Requiem, as it makes all runs with any caster DPS faster. While people don't expect you to use Warden's Paean most of the times, keeping an eye out for your WAR's Berserk buff or any nasty ailments is generally a good thing to do.

However, in most non-savage content you will almost never need to sing MP/TP, unless your party is really struggling. Such situations usually occur in runs with a lot of deaths, resulting in a possible starvation of TP/MP. While singing TP/MP is by itself not a malign thing to do, using it at the wrong time is generally detrimental for your run speed. Some healers also take it as a general vote of distrust if you sing mana when they have everything under control.

I would advice not to let it get to you too much; just learn the situations, where using TP/MP songs really matter, and outside that stick with Foe's Requiem, Warden's Paean and Swiftsong. As a tip, a generally good position to sing mana/tp if necessary is during downtime where you won't be able to DPS anyway, like the part flying the Cruise Chaser or Alex Prime before he casts his ultimate. You can also sing TP/MP between pulls if your healers go ham with holies or something, but it's usually better to Swiftsong and regenerate mana for the next Foe's.

[Renius]

Foe is about the only song I really use the most. The others are very situational and simply put when you have properly geared group and people that know how to play their roles you will never need them.

[Cynfael]

Is there a time and place for all songs? Yes. Should MP/TP songs be sang outside necessity? No.


Most of the time, people are expecting you to sing Foe's Requiem, as it makes all runs with any caster DPS faster. While people don't expect you to use Warden's Paean most of the times, keeping an eye out for your WAR's Berserk buff or any nasty ailments is generally a good thing to do.

However, in most non-savage content you will almost never need to sing MP/TP, unless your party is really struggling. Such situations usually occur in runs with a lot of deaths, resulting in a possible starvation of TP/MP. While singing TP/MP is by itself not a malign thing to do, using it at the wrong time is generally detrimental for your run speed. Some healers also take it as a general vote of distrust if you sing mana when they have everything under control.

I would advice not to let it get to you too much; just learn the situations, where using TP/MP songs really matter, and outside that stick with Foe's Requiem, Warden's Paean and Swiftsong. As a tip, a generally hood position to sing mana/tp if necessary is during downtime where you won't be DPS anyway, like the part flying the Cruise Chaser or Alex Prime before he casts his ultimate. You can also sing TP/MP between pulls if your healers go ham with holies or something, but it's usually better to Swiftsong and regerate mana for the next Foe's.

Foe is about the only song I really use the most. The others are very situational and simply put when you have properly geared group and people that know how to play their roles you will never need them.

Agreed and agreed.

In casual play I pretty much expect to see only Foe unless there's an actual need to play Paeon after a pull. Too many bards hoard their MP as if they had something else to do with it, and it kills me as a healer not to have Foe.

Does your party have a healer? Foe.
Does your party have a caster? Foe.
Does your party have a DRK? Foe for their spells.
Does your party have a NIN? Foe for their mudras.

If the question is Foe, the answer is almost always yes.

[bardaboo]

Dear Undead. It might help you understand why players don't want you singing those songs if you become more familiar with the jobs they are playing. Most jobs have their own skills designed to refresh their mp or tp. For example if a healer is dpsing they would prefer you playing foes. All healers have their own mp recovery tools, so unless they are forced to raise party members they are intending to refresh their own mp. Melee dps also have tp refresh tools. You're doing good paying attention to party needs though ^^