A case of chronic gear imbalance

[Cordie]

@Cordie[...]

I didnt miss it! edited my reply, right after it! BTW, you neednt have gone into all this... I feel bad :/ Just about a methodology thingy: from fflogs, I'm getting a median of 14:45 for Library, 15:57 for Xelphatol.

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Sorry Exiled_Tonberry, didnt see your post. The raid gear would still be there, and they are different items, both in looks and stats. + mount

Relatively speaking, YES YOU DID. Or did you ignore Exiled_Tonberry's post?

Didnt see it - addressed that.

And how do you go from "i270 is not needed for raiding" to "not having i270 is crippling my ability to do the content"?

Did I say raiders aren't crippled before their first loot drops? Check for logical validity before posting pls.

[Spayd]

I didnt miss it! edited my reply, right after it! BTW, you neednt have gone into all this... I feel bad :/ Just about a methodology thingy: from fflogs, I'm getting a median of 14:45 for Library, 15:57 for Xelphatol.

Yeah I noticed you edited, so i deleted my previous post saying you didnt answer and did another one hehe. As for dungeons, i used the 60th percentile, which is I believe the most accurate timing for both of them, but using your numbers would just raise the average timing around 15.5 so 15 minutes 30 seconds, not too far from my results if you dont mind being not being pinpoint accurate, but roughly in the same area. I guess it could adds up giving a couple more minutes, but nothing too big to actually make a huge difference. It'd end up changing the end result by adding maybe 30 minutes or so.

And don't feel bad about it, I had some fun doing it too, would just have been sad if it was completely ignored. If it can make the discussion progress through, it's nothing to feel bad about! I also hope you noticed the post I sent after realizing you edited your post too in time! I'm curious to see your point of view on it too! Thank you!

[AmeliaVerves]

I am still confused about the fact that you want more things to grind and get a better reward for it, but (and maaaany others mentioned that before...) you WILL get a new content to grind and gear up with in the next patch. o.O
Which is new 24 raid and i believe (no, I am 100% sure) you will get another weekly token out of it and with that one and the two others of Mhach raids you will be able to get the upgrade material for your 260 gear. (And again: maaaaany others mentioned that before...) In the meantime: why don't you just go and gear up your other classes? Or, if you have none, why don't you go level those to 60 and then gear them up with 260.

[Cordie]

I am still confused about the fact that you want more things to grind and get a better reward for it, but (and maaaany others mentioned that before...) you WILL get a new content to grind and gear up with in the next patch. o.O
Which is new 24 raid and i believe (no, I am 100% sure) you will get another weekly token out of it and with that one and the two others of Mhach raids you will be able to get the upgrade material for your 260 gear. (And again: maaaaany others mentioned that before...) In the meantime: why don't you just go and gear up your other classes? Or, if you have none, why don't you go level those to 60 and then gear them up with 260.

Amelia, please check out our last exchanges with Spayd, I think they'll help you see what I mean about the upgrading path.

[AmeliaVerves]

Amelia, please check out our last exchanges with Spayd, I think they'll help you see what I mean about the upgrading path.

I've read the last pages before posting that.

All I can see is you, looking on your neighbours plate and deciding that you are treated unfair, because that other person got more than you. But you do ignore the fact, that this person was willing to put a different type of effort in the game and therefore got another kind of reward. Yes, it is a better one and from my very personal point of view, I think it is fair that raiders get better gear in the first place, because it takes a lot of skill and a lot of time and patience to beat Alexander. (To be fair, A9s and A10s are quite easy once you got how the mechanics work, but A11s and A12s is rougher and both need a lot more time of practicing for a casual/midcore static).


But! And that is a matter of fact! You will get your chance to reach ilvl270 as well. Yes, you have to wait for it and I can see that this might be frustrating ever since it is slowing your personal progress, but please keep in mind that FFXIV is meant to be a casual friendly game. (With casuals I mean people who log in maybe 2 or 3 evenings a week and playing for maybe 1 or 2 hours.) I believe the majority of people is playing this way and from their point of view it might be nice to not log in for 2 days and then coming back, realising they are not completely left behind even though they are casuals.

You as a, as you call yourself, hardcore-grinder have loads of things to do and grind in the game and instead of bothering about raiders having 10 ilvls more than you (which is really not too bad and even most raiders would rather go with 10ilvl less than screwing up all of their 2nd stats!). Just lean back, enjoy leveling other classes, gatherers, crafters. Work yourself into gardening or housing! Maybe be a help to others, especially the newbies. You do seem to know a lot about that grinding stuff and how to equip yourself properly without savage content, so you could lead newbies the way and help them find something they like.

This game has so much more to offer than raw grinding and pushing ilvl, why don't you just try out something you haven't done before? Maybe you will be surprised how much fun there is beyond grinding. ^^

[Cordie]

I've read the last pages before posting that. [...]

Not quite: looking at my own plate and seeing there is no way of making any progress, regardless of my willingness to put any effort in the game other than raiding.
Yes, about the grindy parts it’s uhmm… for instance: since reset, yesterday, with a couple of roulettes, some hunts and a few duties for Tails I already have my scripture cap, 1600-ish lore, and 10k-ish GC seals, and the sad part is I wasn’t even grinding lore and seals… I do think it needs a revamp. So, yep.. for the rest of the week I’m inevitably stuck with getting lore and seals for mats and a relic I’m planning out, and doing housing stuff.. but there is no real progress in doing any of these things.

[Cordie]

Yeah I noticed you edited[…]

Yep! Saw that one too.
Well, technically, savage and ex trials (to a lesser extent, for their weapons..meh) are instant gratification content – i.e. your next run may give you X equipment item, which is the primary incentive to do them. If they were any different (for example, only giving tokens) hardly anyone would bother.
On raids’ difficulty, I think it can be broken down to memorizing the phases of the fight, communicating with your group, getting adequate/updated info on what’s happening on server side for mechanics, having adequate resources (vitality, MP) and throughput (dps, healing). Of these, the 1st one must be the most difficult part since you have to do through trial-and-error or get some guide and be able to learn from it, communication shouldn’t be an issue if you’re going in with a static,
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[Cordie]

the 3rd one would be an oversight on devs’ side (think it was the case with A3s) or connection problems, and the last one would be the effect of choosing to go in unprepared. So, with the exception of having a programming blunder or connection issues hinder you, you are only limited by your group’s speed of learning the phases and the choreography, and by your willingness to go in relatively undergeared. Assuming everyone knows their jobs etc, I think it’s fair enough (unless ofc it’s something on the programing or connection side messing you up).
About the time/effort balance, I think adding to what we have now the equivalent of about a relic step’s work on a weekly basis would be enough for anyone wanting more of a grind, and enough to compensate for the initial effort you put into the raid (and enough to deter casual players :O).

[Roth_Trailfinder]

Did I say raiders aren't crippled before their first loot drops? Check for logical validity before posting pls.

Ok ...

3rd time I see the same mistake: Creator Savage does not need i270 gear either. Even among casual raiders all their clears were inevitably done with lesser gear.

So .. yes, you did, in this very thread, say that those challenging the hardest content in the game, raiders, do not need i270. Still waiting to see how its not needed for raids but the lack cripples your ability to do some piece of content in the game.