Elite, Elitism, and Elitist

[Lyraele]

Elite: A person who has rightfully earn their status as "holy god, how'd you do that".

Elitist: Someone who uses their status for ill and instead of helping, talk down. There is a possible positive connotation, but the term "elitist" is typically used in a negative manner.

Elitism: Typically, a bad player thinking they're God's gift to FF14 and likely has been carried so bad their team has back problems. My own experience, I saw this when a supposed "raider" BLM taught my FC's babby BLM the completely wrong rotation.

I'm still a n00b in FFXIV, but Frowny's definitions definitely align with my experiences in other games (EverQuest and WoW, if it matters).

[Inori-Yuzuriha]

Thank you.

I'm being serious.

Damage Parser = Elitism

That's why is against ToS

[Darkstride]

I'm being serious.

Damage Parser = Elitism

That's why is against ToS

Parsers can actually be a positive thing when used properly for self-awareness, character development and even constructive criticism.

People with nasty attitudes will have them with or without a parser. It's just a tool that gives them numbers to back up their argument. And they aren't always wrong....some people do severely underperform whether they know it or not. An equally bad problem is that underperformers don't want to know (or others to know) that they may be the weak link in an otherwise good group. It all depends on context. Its simply not true that "Parsers are bad" or "Parsers make people elitists". The problem with a negative elitist is the unecessary rudeness and general superiority complex, not their ability to gauge another person's performance.

[Hinatea]

Parsers can actually be a positive thing when used properly for self-awareness, character development and even constructive criticism.

People with nasty attitudes will have them with or without a parser. It's just a tool that gives them numbers to back up their argument. And they aren't always wrong....some people do severely underperform whether they know it or not. An equally bad problem is that underperformers don't want to know (or others to know) that they may be the weak link in an otherwise good group. It all depends on context. Its simply not true that "Parsers are bad" or "Parsers make people elitists". The problem with a negative elitist is the unecessary rudeness and general superiority complex, not their ability to gauge another person's performance.

I agree. I would like for the thread to stay on topic, but it really is the same as saying guns don't kill people, but the person using the gun kills people.

[MicahZerrshia]

Unpopular Opinion incoming!

Elite: Someone who is good at their job and takes things seriously

Elitism: Believing that your style of play is the only style and others should simply fall in line. This includes not only those who excel at their jobs and only want to play with others who do as well and are snide to those who are new or trying as seems to be the common theme for those who have answered so far, but also those who have the attitude of "I pay my sub I play how I want", refuse to try and/or learn and generally think that everyone should bow down before them because they are new, indifferent or inexperienced. Also those who feel the game, the devs and all those within it as a whole should cater to their one and only play style, schedule or lack there of and feeling incredibly slighted if they are removed from any form of content for not participating or making an effort.

Elitist: QQ or /rage for not adhering to the above or general snidiness.

[randysquirrel]

Elite: someone who plays the game to high standard, puts out impressive numbers, has cleared most/all available content due to their own capability

Elitist: Someone who expects everyone (incl. themselves) to play to the best of their ability, to have appropriate gear, perform their rotation correctly, use all of their toolkit, and to give their all.

Elitism: act of being an elitist.

Filthy Elitist: a term used to describe anyone who does anything, or speaks, by someone with self-esteem issues who just wants to do whatever they want without question. See also "You don't pay my sub" and "Ice Mage"

[NekoNova]

1. How would you define/describe/characterize an elite?

An Elite would be someone who is knowledgeable about the game, succeeds in overcoming challenges and shares his information with the community in a positive, and constructive manner.
He's someone who aims at helping others improve by leading by example.
He's someone who also understands the shortcomings of people and tries to work around it.

2. Elitism?

The negative behaviour around people that look down on others because they succeeded in something or obtained something the others still have to achieve.
Classical situations are :

- Looking down for not pulling same numbers
- Kicking people from groups for different approaches/oppinions/playstyles
- Pointing out errors people make in a negative way

3. Elitist?

The people promoting, exhibiting or enforcing step 2

[Malzian]

So I've seen a lot of definitions on here, most of which cover the ones I would give. So, rather than add to that pile, how about we see what the actual definitions are? (From Random House's Dictionary.com)

Elite: the choice or best of anything considered collectively, as of a group or class of persons.

Elitism:
1. practice of or belief in rule by an elite.
2. consciousness of or pride in belonging to a select or favored group.

Elitist (noun):
3. a person having, thought to have, or professing superior intellect or talent, power, wealth, or membership in the upper echelons of society.
4. a person who believes in the superiority of an elitist class.

Honestly, I think looking at the posts and the definitions what you can take out of this is... No one cares if you're the best at something, but no one wants you to shove that in their face and tell them they're no good just because they're not you.

[Nightlistic]

A player who's skills are obviously superior to other players, then proceeds to talk down to anyone who's either still learning, or hasn't had the opportunity to dedicate the same amount of time that that players has to reach their skill level. They are generally impatient, always in a rush, and are first to run around flashing their new superior rare toys for the world to see for attention. You can be Elite without being an Elitist. A lot of it has to do with personality. For example I think many of the players in my FC are Elite. They are exceptionally skilled, and know how things work. Yet they are always quick to help, and spend the time needed to teach someone who's new to something so that they can also get better at it. I respect the Elite player where I have no respect for an Elitist who never has time to help, is quick to point out your flaws, and place blame. Thankfully I have not had to deal with to many Elitist players.

[RizenSaga]

Elite: Superior, top 1%, best in slot, experienced, knows their roles and how it fits with others, the mechanics of the fights and is the hero that turns loss to victory.

Elitism: Belief that there is only one way and one path. Typically decently geared player with weak minds, that take a minor truth/opinion and hold onto it because rarely can they see the bigger picture or try different paths until they are forced on them or believed by the community as a whole.

Elitist: Belief that better players should only access certain areas. Only they/or the elite 1% should do something. Make it harder so less people can do it. Typically blames peopl e to draw from their own mistakes.